[JHavard]

JHavard, you quote Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, Peter, Paul, Augustine etc. etc. I would be more correct to say that you not only mis-quote but also that you are mis-quoting Catholic Saints. Its not "Matthew", it is Saint Matthew, Saint Mark, Saint Luke, Saint John, Saint Timothy, Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint Augustine etc. etc.

All believers are saints, but its up to God to name them such, not men who know nothing about the real heart and soul of the person.

I call the apostles by the same names they called each other in the Bible, of course you don't believe the Bible has the athority to set the example, do you?

Your claim that the Catholic church adopted them is a result of your mis interpretations because the Church willingly invites all into Her fold as adopted children - but where you stumble is in the fact that it is they who have not only adopted the RCC for their own, they did it because they knew that She is the only way to God.

They would never have recognize the church they were a part of just 50 years later. They would never have accepted its horrendous history of murdering other believers, or using forged documents to gain political power, not to mention the sin that's in it now. I guess you just call those warts, don't you? :)

JH :)

[Stubborn]

All believers are saints, but its up to God to name them such, not men who know nothing about the real heart and soul of the person.

Thats your definition based on your personal interpretation of your bible. In reality, the verses that you mis-quote according to your private interpretation contradict those who wrote them because "You search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and that they give testimony of God" yet you cannot find God under those (your) terms. Mark 5:39,40.

Saint Matthew and the other OT and NT writers are, sadly, the most mis-quoted and mis-interpreted saints of all. The teachings of St. Augustine are in perfect harmony with each and every lesson of my Bible - as are the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus, St. Thomas More, and on and on the list goes.

They would never have recognize the church they were a part of just 50 years later. They would never have accepted its horrendous history of murdering other believers, or using forged documents to gain political power, not to mention the sin that's in it now. I guess you just call those warts, don't you? :)

The Church, from its beginnings, has been attacked repeatedly by the devil and is once again under attack. The devil does not bother with those who he figures are already his, he always goes after the ones who are not his with the most verosity. Such is what we see happening today.