WHO ARE THE KENITES? islamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!

08/05/04

[lupie]

Hi Quix,

I have to admit that I don't know that much about Hagin's stuff. What I do know, I have not been impressed, but that is from people spouting his stuff and not from me spending much time in it. Is it Hagin that this person is spouting? I thought at least some of it was Bullinger. Some of Bullinger's stuff I like, but I am fairly sure he believes in the gap theory. I don't. But his book on Numbers in Scripture is well done.

[repub32]

Who are the Kenites?


Definition of "Kenites" from The Encyclopedia Britannica" :

ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA - Kenite

Kenite:

Member of a tribe of itinerant metalsmiths *related (see note below) to the Midianites and the Israelites who plied their trade while traveling in the region of the Arabah (the desert rift valley extending from the Sea of Galilee to the Gulf of Aqaba) from at least the 13th century to the 9th century BC. The Kenites' name was derived from Cain, whose descendants they were believed to be. The Kenites are mentioned several times in the Old Testament.

The father-in-law of Moses, Jethro, was a Kenite* (*see note below), and as priest-leader of the tribe he led in the worship of Yahweh, whom Moses later revealed to the Hebrews as their own God whom they had forgotten. In the period of the judges (12th-11th century BC), it was a Kenite woman, Jael, who killed the general of Israel's enemies, the Canaanites.

Settling among the Israelites, Amalekites, and Canaanites, the Kenites apparently became absorbed into the tribe of Judah. Conservative groups of Kenites retained their nomadic way of life and beliefs and practices, however, and one such group, the Rechabites (2 Kings), fought alongside the rebel and future king of Israel, Jehu (reigned c. 842-c. 815), against the Omri dynasty and the worshipers of the Canaanite god Baal.

* Note of clarification on the above definition: The Kenites were not related to the Israelites or the Medianites who are Abrahamic. In addition, Jethro was a Kenite only from a geographical standpoint, i.e., He lived in a Kenite territory within the land of Midian just as a person living in Texas is a "Texan" but may be of English (or whatever) ancestry. Jethro was a priest of Midian (Exodus 3:1, 18:1) and therefore a Midianite NOT a Kenite. The Midianites are descendents of Abraham through his son, Median, whose mother was Keturah, Abraham's concubine. The Kenites however are descendents of Cain and are NOT Abrahamic stock, and were the owners of the well in Exodus 2:17. This is why they tried to drive off the daughters of Jethro. The owners of the only well in a given territory had first watering rights. Notice also that in Exodus 2:19 Moses is called "an Egyptian". Was he an Egyptian? Only by his former residence! Moses was an Israelite and no more Egyptian than Jethro was Kenite!

For the Strong's definition of "Kenite" see #s 7013 and 7017 in the Hebrew dictionary of The Strong's Exaustive Concordance.

[ET(end tyranny)]

There are two 'creations' in Genesis. The first one taking place in Genesis 1 and it ends with:

Genesis 1
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Then in Genesis 2, the second creation:

Genesis 2
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now, this is just an observation, and one I noticed several years ago, and that is, that in the 1st creation all animals including the man and the woman, were told to 'go forth and multiply'. In the 2nd creation, these words are missing.

The first creation being 'carnal/flesh'?, and the second not. What we might consider 'spiritual'?

I, also noticed something else, Adam and Eve's first born is Cain. Second born is Abel. Cain kills Abel. Just as the first creation was carnal/flesh, so too was A&E's first creation 'carnal or bad/evil', committing the first murder, because of 'jealousy'??

Evil first gets mentioned in the second creation.

Did Eve partake of the tree of knowledge because she wanted to be 'better' than what she was? 'Pride'?

Fast forward to Abram and Hagar. Hagar becomes prideful when she conceives, eventually giving birth to Ishmael. Later Abram, now called Abraham and Sarah give birth to Isaac. Ishmael's birth is 'carnal/of the flesh', while Isaac's birth was based on faith/promise.

YHWH reinforced the separation of the child of 'flesh', from the Child of Faith/Promise, when Hagar and Ishmael were sent off to wander.

Anyway, that's my take.

[repub32]

you said: "Is it Hagin that this person is spouting?"

are you talkng about me?????

[repub32]

you said "Could it be that Abel's offering being a firstling and being the 'fat' (the best parts, choicest) showed his faith and love in YHWH. While, when Cain offered his 'fruits of the land', there is no mention of these fruits being 'choice' or 'the best', that Cain's faith and love was weaker? That Cain didn't consider that YHWH sees all? Thinking that YHWH wouldn't know that he didn't offer the best/choicest fruits?"

This is ridiculous because there is no sacrifice higher in the world that GOD would condemn someone over.You cant offer no more of a sacrifice then The one he gave to us HIs son on the cross. Again symbolic meaning the offering's. It was that CAIN was of the blood of evil and GOD knew it and he could never have grace from god even with the best offering's. Cain was there to corrupt the seed. THis would also make GOD seem to be arrogant,no?????

[repub32]

http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/docrob/ken001.htm

[ET(end tyranny)]

Yours - THis would also make GOD seem to be arrogant,no?????

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The following verses from various bibles indicate that IF you DO what is RIGHT then you WILL be ACCEPTED. They also indicate that we are to overcome sin. Are you suggesting that YHWH lied?


Genesis 4 (NIV)
7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

Genesis 4 (NASB)
7 "(1) If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? (2) And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, (3) but you must master it."

Genesis 4 (MSG)
7 If you do well, won't you be accepted? And if you don't do well, sin is lying in wait for you, ready to pounce; it's out to get you, you've got to master it."

Genesis 4 (AMP)
7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin crouches at your door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.

Genesis 4 (KJV)
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Genesis 4 (HCSB)
7 If you do right, won't you be accepted? But if you do not do right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must master it."[1]

Genesis 4 (CEV)
7 If you had done the right thing, you would be smiling. [1] But you did the wrong thing, and now sin is waiting to attack you like a lion. Sin wants to destroy you, but don't let it!

[repub32]

UH gen:4 verse 7 is CAIN answering GOD from verse 6 GOD asked CAIN why was his countenance down because CAIN was wondering why he had gotton no exceptance from God. God with a big G not little g(satan).

[ET(end tyranny)]

You are in error. Pay attention.

Genesis 4 (NIV)
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

Look at the " marks. No change in speakers, it is YHWH speaking the whole time.

Genesis 4 (MSG)
6 GOD spoke to Cain: "Why this tantrum? Why the sulking?
7 If you do well, won't you be accepted? And if you don't do well, sin is lying in wait for you, ready to pounce; it's out to get you, you've got to master it."

Genesis 4 (HCSB)
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you furious?[1] And why are you downcast?[2] 7 If you do right, won't you be accepted? But if you do not do right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must master it."[3]

[repub32]

ok, I stand corrected went back and read it a few times from the companion bible. Think i need to sleep been at this all day I'm shot.

[Quix]

Evidently, you missed my noting that I only read your Scripture. I didn't pay any attention to the rest of your post. And, some people have used that Scripture in discussions with me about UFO's.

[Quix]

Am not familiar with Bullinger.

I have listened to 100's of hours worth of Hagin tapes.

It was very, very difficult to impossible to find any Scriptural fault with what he said. He was very scrupulous about how he put things. And sometimes, he seemed to come right up to a line I was beginning to feel wary about but he'd stop short of crossing over the Scriptural balance I perceived in Scripture. I don't say I agreed with everything he said. But overwhelmingly, I found him Scriptural.

I canNOT say the same for his son or his disciples. I think probably Kenneth Copeland is the most balanced of those I've paid much attention to.

Also, I think his son and disciples are not the most humble people I'd hope to meet. That's probably a source of great . . . trouble.

Anyway--just my 2 cents worth.

[lupie]

I canNOT say the same for his son or his disciples. I think probably Kenneth Copeland is the most balanced of those I've paid much attention to.

I have found Copeland to be way out there and rather spooky to watch.

[repub32]

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/PMurray.html

[repub32]

UH UH Kenneth Copeland, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he is scary!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ET(end tyranny)]

Then my previous post stands. Did YHWH lie about being accepted if one did what was good, and the need to overcome sin?

[kansas_goat_roper]

The Jews did not kill Christ as you say. Christ layed down His life as a perfect sacraficial lamb. This is nothing more than antijewish rhetoric. As far as God is concerned we are all murdering bastards for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all of Adams seed, there are none no not one who is righteous none!

[ET(end tyranny)]

could you note specifically how the blood line of Cain survived the flood and hijacked Noah's blood line?

Genesis 6
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

If the Nephilim could survive the flood, why not the blood line of Cain?

[Quix]

I think he's matured and learned from his excesses.

I don't think he's that far off on basic theology stuff.

Some of his speculations can be a bit much. Maybe he says too much about those.

I think the biggest part of Copeland and maybe some of the others is

mostly

just a somewhat localized Texan/Oklahoma/Southern affectation and set of mannerisms and subcultural mores, customs, styles.

I don't consider most of that stuff much of anything at all.

I believe Copeland has blessed a lot of people with the relatively pure Word of God in MOST of his sermons.

I haven't appreciated his or certainly any of the other's excesses and abberations.

But I think people who are quick to judge are often very blind to similar junk in their own theology, customs, etc. But because such are THEIRS and DIFFERENT from COPELANDS!!! then, THEIR fringe junk is somehow more righteous. I think that mentality stinks TONS.

[aruanan]

WHO ARE THE KENITES? islamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!

Are you absolutely out of your mind? Stop playing with concordances and similarities of names. This means nothing. The only way what you said above in the title could hope to have any meaning other than metaphorical is if the Biblical genealogies are literally true--but even given their authenticity that hope is fatally dashed by the fact that Noah and his sons are not of the line of Cain. You'll recall, perhaps if you read the Bible instead of concordances, that that line (along with everyone else but for 8) sort of suddenly died off.