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8-year-old's first Holy Communion invalidated by Church
Newsday ^ | August 12, 2004 | John Curran

Posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:10 AM PDT by sidewalk

BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating Catholic doctrine. Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition _ celiac sprue disease _ should not exclude her from participating in the sacrament, in which Roman Catholics eat consecrated wheat-based wafers to commemorate the last supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

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To: sinkspur

Good idea.

Cool, isn't it, how a bunch of rabid, unthinking Catholic-haters can bring us together.

How about a group hug!


81 posted on 08/12/2004 11:43:41 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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To: old and tired

Buts its so much more interesting and fun to declare " I am a victim", or even more fun to declare "my kid is a victim"


82 posted on 08/12/2004 11:44:50 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

She apparently found another church where the Priest was accommodating. Why did it become an issue? There's more to this story.


84 posted on 08/12/2004 11:46:26 AM PDT by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: sidewalk

Save for later reading.


85 posted on 08/12/2004 11:47:21 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur
For Instance...Take the Kerry Campaign hiring Kate Michelman for instance.

Then Consider this....

Already the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League has used this decision's expansion of the logic of Roe to attack congressional efforts to reaffirm that a child completely born alive is a legal person. Such a policy, said this group, is "in direct conflict with Roe," which "clearly states that women have the right to choose prior to fetal viability." The euphemism of "the right to choose," routinely used to avoid mentioning abortion, is now being used to justify killing outside the womb

that is a statement from USCCB in 2000, but now?

No Press release, no condemnation, nothing.....The simple fact of the matter is there is an Inherent Moral Duty for a Body Imbued with Power to Speak out, especially in Grave instances.

Maybe When they get done invalidating an 8 year olds communion, they can worry about the Moral Soul of the nation....

86 posted on 08/12/2004 11:47:42 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: broadsword
The Catholic Church wrote, defined and owns the (NT) Bible. Without Pope St. Damasus, who reigned in the 300s, you do-it-yourself, anything-goes-according-to-my-on-the-spot personal-interpretation-of-what-I-don't-understand, I am my own god types would have no Bible to misinterpret.

Very well put. Of course the Holy Ghost guided this saintly Pope, and continues to guide the Bride of Christ, and our Holy Mother Church to this very day.
87 posted on 08/12/2004 11:48:43 AM PDT by tjwmason (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: AgThorn

yes, bread and wine are the required norm

as a rare exception, non-fermented grape juice and specially processed wheat-based bread may be used

Christ Hinself chose wheat bread and grape wine for the Last Supper.


88 posted on 08/12/2004 11:48:43 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: nmh; Pyro7480
This thread is an example of a ritual, communion, taken to an extreme and is not the teachings of Christ of the Bible.

The three Gospel narratives of the Last Supper are absolutely consistent. Matthew: 26:26 "This is My Body." 26:27 "This is My Blood…" Mark: 14:22 "This is My Body." 14:24 "This is My Blood…" Luke: 22:19 "This is My Body." 22:20 "This … is the New Covenant in My Blood." Jesus' next words instituted the Catholic priesthood: Lk 22:19 "Do this in remembrance of Me."

Jesus assured the Apostles that the Holy Eucharist is a reflection of the heavenly banquet. Mt 26:29 "I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

After His resurrection, Jesus walked with two disciples to Emmaus. When they arrived, He celebrated the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for them; Lk 24:30 "While He was at table with them, He took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them."

89 posted on 08/12/2004 11:49:19 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: jojodamofo
The girl will be saved if -- and only if -- she accepts Him into her heart as her Lord and Savior. If she is to go to hell, it will be because of what is in her heart, not because of what kind of wafer she ate at church.

Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life within you. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall live forever, and I will raise him upon the last day. - John 6.

She would be most welcome at ours, and we would not insist that she put her life at risk or consume alcoholic beverages.

And God forbid she should even think of drinking alcohol, when our Lord Himself made hundreds of gallons of wine from water (John 2) and was accused of being "a glutton and a winebibber" (Matthew 11.19). We wouldn't want her imitating Him, would we?

90 posted on 08/12/2004 11:49:44 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: hobbes1
This is a pretty poor place to be putting their theological foot down, when they are still treading VERY GINGERLY on Politicians that Prostitute their Catholic ethnicity for Votes.

No they're not. Every single bishop in this country signed a statement that tells those politicians who support abortion that they should not receive the Eucharist. They put the onus on THEM. It's THEIR souls, after all.

Some bishops will refuse the Eucharist, others won't but the message is still the same.

91 posted on 08/12/2004 11:51:04 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Who is the father of the Sons of Zebedee"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Jaded
She apparently found another church where the Priest was accommodating

WOW....Just like Catholic John Kerry.....

92 posted on 08/12/2004 11:51:19 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: dubyaismypresident; hobbes1
Come on now. Just because they replaced a Rolls Royce with a Yugo doens't mean a Yugo is not a car.

I heard someone say the early Christians drove Yugos.....

93 posted on 08/12/2004 11:56:40 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
No, My point is Kerry specifically. A Man calling himself Catholic, who is Openly Promising to Protect Abortion, should be being Condemend just as openly...

In Effect, he is sayong"Elect me President and I will ensure your 'right' to commit infanticide.

Now, those men in the Church, had no Problem speaking out about other subjects like the War in Iraq, But an OSTENSIBLE CATHOLIC openly campaigning to PROTECT ABORTION??????

Sorry,I am not hearing it.

(And it would apply equally to a Republican (rudy)...)

94 posted on 08/12/2004 11:59:12 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Yes, driving Yugos is so much more "patristic," don't you think?


95 posted on 08/12/2004 11:59:37 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark

I think Jesus drove a Yugo too.

Or so I'm told.


96 posted on 08/12/2004 12:00:56 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Kackikat
bread, plain old bread...and it does not matter what its made from... ..it is in REMEMBRANCE of Christ.

Back when I was a protestant, we literally used cubes of Wonder Bread and Welches grape juice. It didn't matter what it was made from since "communion" was just a ritual reenactment. As Catholics, we take the "This is my body..." literally. Like the early Christians, we believe that the bread and wine is truly changed into Christ's body and blood. In this way, each and every Mass is a miracle. That is why we are so precise in how it is conducted. Those who believe otherwise can do it however they please, with whatever they want.

97 posted on 08/12/2004 12:04:04 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I think it had a moon roof to accomodate praying in the "orans" position, right?

I think a peritus told me that once.


98 posted on 08/12/2004 12:04:59 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Repairman Jack

I think you're absolutely right. I can't imagine god really caring about anything beyond the child's intent.

This is why I'm having a hard time taking the Catholic Church seriously. Leaving Saddam in power is OK, but creating a special wafer so a young girl doesn't get sick from her Communion isn't?


99 posted on 08/12/2004 12:06:21 PM PDT by horatio
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I think Jesus drove a Yugo too.

Well the twelve apostles were all of one Accord. How they all fit, I have no idea.

100 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:04 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Why some Republicans want to give up before the fight is beyond me)
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