Posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:10 AM PDT by sidewalk
BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating Catholic doctrine. Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition _ celiac sprue disease _ should not exclude her from participating in the sacrament, in which Roman Catholics eat consecrated wheat-based wafers to commemorate the last supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.
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Amen. Just another point to add to my ever growing list of why the Catholic Church is so wrong. BTW, the list was begun in 1st grade at Catholic school.
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"Furthermore, you literally pray to people (saints, Mary, etc). It's like you are worshiping them, too, especially Mary"
Not at all. We believe in survival after death. And so we speak to those who have passed from this life to the next and ask for their intercession on our behalf. It's not unreasonable. Many people who have lost loved ones speak to the loved one, hopeful of being heard. It's a universal instinct--built into human nature. We affirm it as a dogma of faith--the communion of saints. It is not worship at all. Neither is having statues of saints a mode of worship. We have statues and paintings the way people have photos of loved ones around the house--or portraits of ancestors. Same difference. It is not at all the same as idol-worship--worshiping the statue or painting for its own sake. The images are reminders only--aids to keep them close to our hearts.
The USCCB also approved unnecessary extraordinary Eucharistic ministers - including women, altar girls, Communion standing only as "normative", standing after Communion "as a sign of respect", nodding before receiving, --- this is all just weird stuff just to be different from the Traditional practice, just to please Protestants, just to make Communion like a soup kitchen, efficient, quick, irreverent and painless. Naturally any Catholic should be wary of what is "approved" these days. And the Vatican just caves on everything because of "collegiality".
They were quick to approve these altar breads because of all the orchestrated negative publicity of which the article that prompted this thread is an example. Even so, the USCCB left it to the local bishops whether they would be approved for use in the local dioceses, so it is possible (though I would guess rather doubtful) that the local bishops would recognize the dubious validity of these breads just like Bp. Tissier did.
The USCCB didn't even end the discussion.
I think that you are more ready dismiss traditonalists than I am to dismiss the novus ordin-Arians.
Excuse me for being stupid but what is a "flack"? That is a new one to me. Obviously, it is an uncharitable pejorative, but give me a definition.
Why do care what the USCCB says?
Doesn't Richard Williamson dictate your observances?
He may rule on an SSPX matter.
If you attend and follow the SSPX, then you are free to follow Tissier's ruling.
However, for the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, the ruling from the USCCB, that the hosts from the Benedictine Sisters are valid matter, are directive.
How can allegiance to tradition be misguided if it was so good for so many saints? Your allegiance to the post- conciliar revolution would be considered as gross presumption by the same saints.
I am quite satisfied with my spiritual communions. St. Teresa of Avila said that one good spiritual communion is of more value than 1000 Communions received without recollection. Besides that, your option is that horrid abomination of the new mass, which is so inimcal to recollectiion as to make a good Communion nearly impossible. No thanks.
I see no malice in my pastor. He is one of the kindest priests I know. He understands my desire and need for Sacramental Communion. His only reluctance has been unsureness about the exact manner of doing it. I am patient with him, maybe too patient. The last time Bishop Tissier was here I cornered him with Father and he essentially said, "Just do it". The only thing that remains now is to locate one of the gold-plated Eastern Rite spoons.
Thankyou for your concern for my spiritual welfare, but instead of railing against my priest and tradition, please say a Hail Mary for me.
JMJ --- Roger
Sure, that works too - a spade's a spade.
The new mass and its implementation were in oppositon to the law of God as given in Quas Pimas by Pope St. Pius V. This law is the law in perpetuity for liturgical matters in the Latin Rite. The result has been that the Church has become the object of the wrath of Sts. Peter and Paul.
What was done had no legal basis even without Quas Primas because the Pope is the guardian of Tradition, not its father, not its creator, not its destroyer.
It is licit and even the duty of Catholics to resist a superior, even a Pope, who opposes the Law of God and the good of souls.
I wouldn't stand on my head waiting for sanity to return to the Church without there being first an abolition of the new mass, a suppression of the Secomd Vatican Council, and the excommunication of any and all bishops who refuse these first two acts. Counter-Revolution may be bloody but it is the surgeon's knife that heals. It could cause a schism but it would give us a firm foundation to start the rebuilding of the Church and Christendom.
I won't be standing on my head waiting for these things to happen but I will be on my knees praying for it.
JMJ --- Roger
Not true. No Pope can bind another pope in matters liturgical, since the form of the Mass is not dogmatic.
You mean to tell me you are avoiding the Precious Blood for lack of a gold spoon?
Seems the hoopla about molestations has reached it's peak...now a new attack is beginning to take place..Ho! Hum! when are we all going to Grow Up...
Not this bishop!
Yes.
Remember, the sacraments were made for man, not man for the sacraments.
Not receiving the Precious Blood for lack of a gold spoon indicates that something is wrong with your understanding of the Eucharist.
When one unconditionally and faithfully believes that during the consecration, the Body and Blood of Christ is now present. Why then couldn't this woman accept that wheat may not be present, that it is now truly the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Give it a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised.
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