Posted on 07/16/2004 6:09:37 PM PDT by narses
Reviewer: jim.moriarty@xxxxxxxxx Sylvania, Ohio United States)
This confirms what I thought was going on in the Novus Ordo Church. These priests see the Liberal-Modernist overtones of the New Mass and reject it. They literally go through HELL to get back to the sacrificing priest concept who offers up Jesus Christ for our sins, like in the Old Testament, not a Good Time "Happy Meal" as the Novus Ordo has it. I didn't want to put it down. These men are REAL HEROES, bucking the Catholic establishment, giving up EVERYTHING, (pension, medical insurance, housing, etc.) for their beliefs.
Some are even "suspended", and/or without faculties, and literally cast aside by their Liberal Bishops. Yet they persevere giving the True Mass to the faithful. Many are 25-40 years into their priesthood. They are sure of their actions to a man. INSPIRING! HOPEFUL! The future of the Catholic Church as the sex scandals blow up on all sides!! A MUST READ for all Catholics who know somethings' wrong, but just couldn't put their finger on it. THIS puts the finger ON IT!!! IN SPADES!!
The people who attend SSPX Masses take care of their priests both active and retired.
The book states that none of the priests interviewed are with the SSPX, but its good to know this regardless. Thanks.
Did Fr. Wickens make any announcements to the parish DIRECTLY, that is FROM THE PULPIT, about whom he wished to take over the chapel?
The newspaper interview with Fr. Wickens brother, immediately after Fr. Wickens' death, stated that the matter has not yet been decided in the least.
If Fr. Wickens wished that the chapel be administered by the SSPX after his death, but still be owned by the congregation, or his family, trustees, etc. then that is fine. If he wished to GIVE it outright to the SSPX that raises red flags, but so be it.
If he DID NOT wish either, then that is a problem.
He should have formulated his intentions well in advance and made them known explicitly to the congregation if he wished them to be carried out.
As for the books distributed gratis to the parishoners, that is your "compensation" for handing it over to them lock, stock, and barrel. As many other chapels have found out, never expect the congregation to be consulted about anything once the SSPX have the deed in their name.
I assume to enforce their possesion, the SSPX will turn it immediately into a priory, and have three priests stationed there for the entire week.
Interestingly SSPX chapels in Chicago, Philadelphia and other large cities have NEVER been staffed full time or have been permitted to have schools. They only staff smaller locations that they surmise will have less resistance to their own particular ideologies that are NOT part of the Catholic Faith. As one example, Fr. Van Derputten's assertion in a speech that the U.S. was on the wrong side in WW II>
Of course Fr. Peter's Scott's usual response to remonstrations over the SSPX' failure to live up to their promises of ful time clergy, schools, etc, once his numerous lies no longer worked, was to fulminate a purge, and then another, and hey, another for good measure after that! Have to keep "them", the laity, in their place.
The 'technical terminology' is control freak. It is, however, for a purpose, and that is to INTENTIONALLY destroy and render futile all resitance, even spiritual, to the false church of vatican ii.
The purges usually send the faithful, and even some of their priests, straight back into the arms of the 'concilar church". The congregations, despite the numerous children, are smaller than ten years in the past.
Most of the original items on Bill Grosklass' web site on the Chicago purge have been removed as out of date but some still remain. Unfortunately the author was typical of the 'true believers' in the SSPX who think the SSPX the Catholic Church - in other words no one else, and once they have their bubble burst, they abandon the true Faith and true Church and run back into the maws of hell of the novus ordo.
Which is why I surmise such a pathetic, ineffective, contradictory resistance was permitted to be mounted to the hell of the concilar church of vatican ii; to render all serious opposition to the apostate church of vatican ii futile. Lenin's own counterfeit creation of a false resistance to the Bolsheviks was a piker in comparision.
As just one example that may be similar to your own chapel's fate, in the late 1990's the seizure of Monsignor Donahue's chapel after his death by the SSPX under Fr. Scott. The chapel had been solely owned by Msgr. Donahue and he left it in his will to Fr. Berry AS HIS CHOSEN SUCCESSOR.
The SSPX 'graciously offered' to help Msgr. Donahue in his illness - and that was all she wrote.
One of Msgr. Donahue's parishoners contributed a significant amout of money to pay the legal bills to fight the takeover by the SSPX at Our Lady of the Angels in Arcadia, California, but they still unfortunately lost the battle.
The parishoner's name is Mel Gibson.
That chapel currently publishes a glossy flier to promote itself that states that Mel: "for a period of time attended the Latin Mass at our Lady of the Angels Church in Arcadia, California."
This flier has been distributed by the SSPX throughout the U.S. as a "nihil obstat" for their own organization.
We could go on with many examples of their duplicity, but one more should suffice: when Fr. Kelly was still part of the outfit, one of the trustees of my own chapel secretly deeded the place over to the SSPX. It had been purchased from the Episcopalian diocese and five families mortgaged their houses in order to purchase the property. No one knew about the trustee's treachery until the 1983 split between the SSPV and he resulting court fight between the two entities for property.
Amazingly, our parish LOST the property to the SSPX in court becasue the judge handed it over them "because they had a superior", Abp. Lefebvre.
We are in a fight for the Faith, the Church, for billions of souls, for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and all the SSPX is concerned with is enriching its own piddling little fiefdom for the eventual day when it fully betrays all of its faithful and brings their souls back to the hell on earth of the apostate church.
Nothing.
That is not necessarily true. Fr. Wickens often provided books free to the congregation. During Lent each year he would provide a book, usually by St. Alphonsus Ligouri, for Lenten reading. When I was instructed by Fr. Wickens upon returning to the Faith, he gave me a copy of An Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales. When it came to saving souls and defending the true Faith, Fr. Wickens was very generous.
Sounds like some of the fights the Baptists have down here in Texas. What with the SSPX, the SSPV, and all these independent chapels, the radical traditionalist movement is coming to resemble the Protestants in their congregationalism.
Fealty to a pastor takes the place of fealty to the Successor of St. Peter.
They remove themselves, Mom. They become renegades because they cannot abide obedience to a bishop or Pope.
If a priest wants to go into business for himself, then he can't participate in the corporate 401K or health plan.
What about the bishops who "remove themselves" when they are not obedient to Rome or God? Why aren't they kicked out sans benefits?
What specific disobediences do you have in mind?
If a priest decides, on his own, to celebrate a non-normative Mass, he has to have permission from the bishop.
In a period of one year, while a particular SSPX priest visited a dying Catholic priest in a nursing home almost every weekend in order to obtain his chapel, this same SSPX priest stiffed three laity on the last rites - while he was in town at the parish.
One widow at least went back to the novus ordo - because they at least came when called - even if it was with invalid priests and invalid rites.
As for the chapel of the dying priest - a different thief wound up stealing it, closed it down, and sold the property.
"Unfortunately the author was typical of the 'true believers' in the SSPX who think the SSPX the Catholic Church - in other words no one else"
Although there may be some misguided individuals out there who behave as if "outside the SSPX there is no salvation", most Catholics only turn to the SSPX for refuge in the modernist storm - realizing that it's certainly not a perfect society - but better than other available options. These are perilous times, and with much of the Church in open apostasy, let's not despise those families who seek solace with the SSPX, and let's hope they don't despise others who take a different route e.g. the "indult" option.
He was thrown out onto the street.
The property for the chapel was originally stolen by the latter mentioned thief from a family of my acquaitance. They were basically dininherited and the family, with the wife in terminal stages of MS, are living penniless in a trailer somewhere in Phoenix.
One widow at least went back to the novus ordo - because they at least came when called - even if it was with invalid priests and invalid rites.
LOL!!! The parable of the Good Samaritan comes to mind.
Who did Jesus point to as the model?
Sometimes we Novus Ordo have our priorities straight even with our "invalid" rites and priests.
You sedes are too much!
The problem is when they are basically taught from the pulpit "Extra SSPX Nulla Salus". I am calling to task the SSPx itself, the clerics who are its superiors and those of its priests, not all by any means, who attempt to indoctrinate the same insanity in its laity.
If the laity start believing this themselves then they are to be pitited because they are in for a rude awakening.
My point as to the SSPX, was the lesson to be gathered from The Iliad: "Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts".
Some interesting infighting.
This recalls what we discussed a couple days ago about priests like Fr. Zigrang and the ones in the book, and even a priest like Fr. Haley of Arlington. They chose to renounce all comfort and financial security. They have made the heroic sacrifice for the sakes of the Catholic faith.
Personally I believe that a bigger hurdle than the financial one, although I agree with you that is a major issue, is the persecution and slander that you know you will suffer. The priest considering making the jump knows for sure that he will be vilified for his choice.
To me this is a sign that it is the right choice. We know with certainty that following Christ means a life of poverty and persecution. If we are rich and comfortable, then almost by definition we cannot be truly following the example of Christ. If everyone praises us, then we cannot really be acting Christ-like.
This message will reverberate with the right kind of priest. The Jesuit seminary in Douai that was sending priests into Elizabethan England had nothing to offer these men except the certainty of eventual arrest and torture and execution. Yet they found many who were willing to accept this bargain.
Priests who wish to remain loyal to the traditional Catholic faith today realize that they must sacrifice financial security, position and prestige, but if they knew that they also had to sacrifice their lives, then the right kind of priest would respond even more eagerly.
Nothing wrong with the Latin Mass. Never was. The postconciliar ban of the Latin Mass was one of the greatest hoaxes in the history of Western civilization.
Valid point. The church survived and emerged stronger having suffered through the dark penal times in England and Ireland. From the blood of martyrs.
She will again.
IHS+
"The problem is when they are basically taught from the pulpit "Extra SSPX Nulla Salus"."
That I've never heard. In fact, I have heard (and with increasing frequency) just the opposite; to wit, the SSPX is Catholic but it is NOT THE Church, rather a tiny subset. More, that the Traditionalist movement isn't the Church, but rather a small subset. The solution, according to homilies by Bp. Williamson and Fr. Fullerton will come from ROME and the Bishops following ROME. We have been warned to avoid the heretical idea that "Extra SSPX Nulla Salus" as well as the heretical ideas of Feeneyism and SedeVacantism.
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