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The Humanism of John Paul II
Daily Catholic ^ | October 18, 2002 | Mario Derksen

Posted on 07/07/2004 7:16:03 AM PDT by ultima ratio

The Humanism of John Paul II

On January 17, 2001, CNS News reported the following: "Pope John Paul II issues Call for Ecological Conversion . . . The world's people need to undergo an 'ecological conversion' to protect the environment and make the earth a place where all life is valued and can grow in harmony, Pope John Paul II said" http://www.creationethics.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=webpage&page_id=81.

Yes, that's how far we've come. Pope John Paul II, idly standing by as the Church in the USA has been infiltrated by homosexuals and perverts, calls us to convert ecologically. Pardon my human way of speaking here, but what the heck is the Pope doing beating the environmental drums while the Church is going to hell??!! Don't you think that's a bit of "misplaced priorities" here? Did Our Lady of Fatima appear in order to convert people ecologically so that natural disasters would be prevented?? Or did she not rather appear to ask for the conversion of sinners, that we turn from sin, so that God's punishment would not be meted out on the world? Now, Our Lady appeared in 1917 for the first time. May I ask: has the world gotten any better since then in terms of its sinfulness?

A response to that need hardly be given. But the Church, starting from the top on down, has become totally twisted. We have a Supreme Pontiff now who, after all his scandals, sacrileges, blasphemies, and heresies now calls the faithful to ecological conversion. Yes, you got it: we have a "green" Pope! Just when you think you've heard and seen it all from John Paul II, something like this comes along. That's the same Pope who invited a Voodoo witchdoctor to share his thoughts on peace with Catholics. Beautiful. Surely, this must be the "new springtime" we keep hearing about. The Church has so blossomed in this "springtime" that worry about heresy can be replaced by worry about environmental issues. Heck, who cares if people are going to hell because they have followed a false gospel, as long as the trees are green! Of course there is no time to deal with the Novus Ordo bishops covering up for homosexual predator priests, when North Dakota's ladybugs have arthritis!

In Australia, the bishops there have already called for a "green church." Salvation, they say, is not just for mankind, but for all of creation. I'm telling you, if this is not the Great Apostasy, then I sure don't want to be around when it gets here. You can read the story about the Australian green hippies here: http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/02/sep/15/02.html.

Folks, ask yourselves: What's next? An encyclical on animal rights? A motu proprio on the dignity of flowers? An apostolic exhortation on how to avoid emitting carbon-monoxide? Please don't say it can't happen or it would be too ridiculous - since 1958, we've pretty much seen and heard it all. What Pope Pius XII would have insisted could never, ever happen is now considered "conservative." So, please.

Anyway, I needed to give you this shocker because it's just unbelievable what we read about every day, coming from the Vatican, from the bishops, and from the other high offices in the Church. Now, after 14 installments of the humanism of our Pope, you probably wonder by now just what the reason might be for John Paul II's humanistic (and now ecologistic??) teachings. Just why humanism? Why not orthodox Catholicism? Why is John Paul such a humanist?

I suppose only God and perhaps John Paul II can answer this question satisfactorily. However, we can at least make an attempt at understanding the possible motivation that lies behind his strange theology. As always, a messed-up theology originates in messed-up philosophy. When we look at John Paul II's philosophical interests and upbringing, we see that he admired and/or was influenced by Edmund Husserl, Max Scheler, Jacques Maritain, Henri de Lubac, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

Edmund Husserl (1859-1938) was a mathematician and logician who became extremely well-known by inventing a new method of philosophical investigation known as "phenomenology," a method that would focus on--and be restricted to--investigation of what appears to consciousness. His two-volume work Logical Investigations (1900/01) introduced this new method. The way Husserl defined his phenomenology and the way he wanted it to work, it is not acceptable for a Catholic, because, among other things, it sets aside issues of reality and truth and falsehood. However, some people, even Catholics, have attempted to modify Husserl's phenomenology such that it could be used fruitfully in philosophical and theological investigations. Having studied the issue for quite a while, I must say that I find it to be, at best, nothing other than utterly verbose sophistry with little substance. But that would mean it is seriously harmful to a sincere search for the truth because it clouds the intellect and thereby inhibits its pursuit of truth and wisdom. Consider, for example, terms like "penetrating" and "reflecting"--some of the favorite buzzwords in phenomenology--in connection with phenomenological investigation. I'm sorry, but I just don't think there's much meaning behind them. And as a concrete example, I have yet to see a difference--in practice--between reflecting on a subject and reflecting on it specifically phenomenologically.

For his Ph.D. dissertation in philosophy (1953), John Paul II (as Karol Wojtyla) wrote on the ethics of Max Scheler. While critical of Scheler's conclusion, Fr. Wojtyla was intrigued by Scheler's use of the phenomenological method to reflect on and "penetrate" Christian ethics.

Now, John Paul II certainly loved Scheler's phenomenology, and this left a lasting impression on John Paul's thought. But John Paul did not only have a love of phenomenology, but also of anthropology, the study of man. Now, put the two together and you get phenomenological anthropology - and, I think, this is what we've been seeing in the encyclicals and homilies and other writings of this Pope. Fancy words and highly complicated expressions, spanning lots of pages, while saying very little, and constant references and allusions to man. I don't know about you, but that's how I experience John Paul II's writings.

Just in his latest apostolic letter, Rosarium Virginis Mariae, we once again find his incessant and utterly unprecedented identification of Christ with man in general. Thus, for instance, the subtitle that begins paragraph 25 is "Mystery of Christ, mystery of man." He then says that the Rosary has "anthropological significance," and he claims, as he already did at the very beginning of his pontificate in his first encyclical, Redemptor Hominis, that Christ's life reveals "the truth about man." Once again, John Paul's humanism is easily visible. Last time I checked, Christ didn't come to reveal truth about man but only truth about Himself and about God and about salvation. That Christ's teaching has implications for what is true about man, that's no doubt true. But John Paul treats it as though we would somehow have to discover something about man, as if man were the focal point. No pre-Vatican II Pope to my knowledge ever talked about there being some "big truth about man" that Christ came to reveal or that we have to glimpse. This is utterly novel, and wasn't made possible until Vatican II, the council of man!

The Pope admits as much when he says that it was Vatican II that taught that "it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man is seen in its true light" (Gaudium Et Spes #22). Isn't that sickening? I mean, what the heck is this talking about! "Mystery of man"? Why is everything after Pius XII, and especially since John Paul II, a "mystery"? It is unbelievable. I think this is the phenomenological spirit that the Pope has picked up, which ends up mystifying everything. In the end, there is no more reality but only "profound mystery" to be "penetrated" and some "richness" in it all that ought to be "reflected on." Hello? Are we on the same planet here?

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to banalize Sacred Doctrine. St. Thomas Aquinas affirmed that our minds could never even grasp - really grasp - the essence of a fly! However, at the same time, St. Thomas taught clearly, with authority, and with God's and the Church's approval, that we can have real knowledge of real things, not just earthly things but also things in the spiritual and metaphysical realms. While having a healthy respect for man's limited knowledge, St. Thomas nevertheless was an epistemological optimist.

Jacques Maritain (1889-1973) was another enormous influence on the thought of Wojtyla/John Paul II. Maritain taught what he called "integral humanism," as opposed to false or secular humanism. On top of that, he also spread "personalism," the notion that personality and personhood are a key to interpreting reality. In other words: it's all about man.

Now, there's no way I could possibly go into all the different philosophies discussed here, but at least I wish to scratch the surface a bit. Another man I mentioned is Fr. Henri de Lubac, who, I believe, was made a cardinal by John Paul II. De Lubac is the "father of the New Theology" - he was a real liberal and modernist. The Society of St. Pius X has graciously made available online a little compendium about all the main figures of the New Theology, i.e. the New Apostasy, and de Lubac is featured prominently in the series "They Think They've Won!" You can view this here: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/1993_December/They_Think_Theyve_Won_PartIII.htm.

The same compendium includes an installment precisely on John Paul II, his novel theology, and his influence by the liberals, including the heretical Fr. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. View it here: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/1994_August/They_Think_Theyve_Won_PartVII.htm.

Basically, since Vatican II, and especially in the writings of John Paul II, instead of a clarification of teaching, we find obfuscation of the old and invention of novelty, together with plenty of convoluted phrases. Interestingly enough, it was Pope St. Pius X who, in his letter "Our Apostolic Mandate," observed that "evil and error are presented in dynamic language which, concealing vague notions and ambiguous expressions with emotional and high-sounding words, is likely to set ablaze the hearts of men in pursuit of ideals which, whilst attractive, are none the less nefarious."

Even before this warning of a very attentive Pope, the First Vatican Council had already made clear that "the doctrine of faith which God revealed has not been handed down as a philosophic invention to the human mind to be perfected" (Denzinger #1800). Yet, in my opinion, the present Pope is drawn to do just that: "develop," reinterpret, improve upon, add on to, and transform our received Faith, especially "in light of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council," as he would say.

It is clear why this wicked revolution in the Church could never have taken place without a council. There would have been no basis for any theologian, prelate, or even the Pope, to base their novelties on.

With Vatican II came the turn from proper Catholic philosophy and theology to humanism under the guise of personalism. Fr. Richard Hogan, in his book ironically called Dissent from the Creed, tries to make us understand the novel thinking of Karol Wojtyla this way: "The future Pope used the truth of our Creation in God's image in a new way. Since we are all created to be like God and since we are all unique in reflections of God, our own experiences, properly understood, reveal something of God. Since we are images of God, our experiences should reveal something about God" (p. 319).

Let me at this point again refer to the New Catechism's paragraph 675, which says that there will be a "supreme religious deception [which] is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh."

Before the Great Deception can fully install man in the place of God, there necessarily has to be a "gradual shift," and I think this is done by the "personalism" and humanism of the New Theology. After all, if the Innovators were immediately putting man in God's place, everyone would notice. So, now they're using complicated-sounding heretical musings that many people will simply think are the conclusions of a "profound philosophical mind, a gifted intellect, a great thinker."

And what are the practical applications and conclusions of this "personalism"? Well, we've seen it all: religious liberty, Assisi, indifferentism, blasphemy. Once we turn to man in order to "see God," the line into idolatry has been crossed. Certainly, we can look at man and praise the Creator who has created such a marvelous being. We can gather by looking at man that God is incredibly intelligent and all-powerful. That's fine. But the New Theologians have totally perverted this and made man a way to God. "Man is the way for the Church," said John Paul II in his 1979 encyclical Redemptor Hominis (#14). He suggests that by God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, He has revealed man to himself; that by showing us who He is, He shows us who we are - what utter nonsense, and utter blasphemy. Here we see a continual identification of man with God. Not fully yet, of course, because there's the always-present "in a sense" and "to an extent" and "if properly understood," but you get the point.

"Man in the full truth of his existence, of his personal being and also of his community and social being - in the sphere of his own family, in the sphere of society and very diverse contexts, in the sphere of his own nation or people (perhaps still only that of his clan or tribe), and in the sphere of the whole of mankind - this man is the primary route that the Church must travel in fulfilling her mission: he is the primary and fundamental way for the Church, the way traced out by Christ himself, the way that leads invariably through the mystery of the Incarnation and the Redemption," the Pope continues further.

"Man the fundamental way of the Church" - folks, this is utterly novel, unprecedented, never heard-of in the Church until Vatican II and especially John Paul II. It is the fruit of phenomenology, personalism, and humanism. I reject it with every fiber of my being.

In his 1987 encyclical Dominum Et Vivificantem, John Paul II wrote: "The 'first-born of all creation,' becoming incarnate in the individual humanity of Christ, unites himself in some way with the entire reality of man, which is also 'flesh'--and in this reality with all 'flesh', with the whole of creation" (#50). This borders on pantheism! Pantheism is the wicked heresy that God and reality are one, that is, that everything, all of creation, is divine. Surely, the defenders of John Paul II would point to the phrase "in some way" as a way out in order not to reach the pantheist conclusion. But folks, what is this? A cat-and-mouse game? Why is the Pope playing hookey-dookey with us?

I'm glad that John Paul II is so hard to understand - this way, many people will not be misled. On the other hand, other innovators can simply introduce more novelties and claim that John Paul II encourages this or calls for this in one of his writings. You know, the typical "that's what the Pope said" excuse. This is what has largely been done with Vatican II (e.g. "Vatican II says….." when many people have no idea what Vatican II actually said), where we can already see this kind of language, the kind that St. Pius X condemned so long ago.

Basically, as I see it, what John Paul II has given us in his encyclicals is phenomenological personalism - his own philosophical musings mixed with some Catholic doctrine and plenty of novelty. But the Supreme Pontificate is no playground, no testing ground for philosophical theories. We don't want to hear the personal philosophy of Karol Wjotyla applied to Catholicism. We want to hear Catholic truth, unmixed with error. And that is our right.

In an article in The Remnant, Dr. Thomas Woods aptly observed: "What the entire dispute ultimately amounts to is the First Vatican Council's description of the Pope: the guardian of the Church's moral tradition, not its author or innovator. He has no right to impose his personal opinions on the universal Church in the face of thousands of years of testimony to the contrary. To be perfectly frank, the present Pontificate appears to have had a mesmerizing effect on otherwise sensible Catholics, who now believe that Church tradition is whatever the Pope says it is" ("Justice Scalia, the Pope, and the Death Penalty" in The Remnant, 2002).

What's left for me to say? Let me give you a good book recommendation. Fr. Johannes Dormann has written a trilogy about John Paul II called "John Paul II's Theological Journey to the Prayer Meeting of Religions in Assisi," first published in 1994. It is available from Angelus Press (1-800-966-7337). See more about it here: http://www.angeluspress.org/sspx_modern_crisis_2.htm#dormann.

You can furthermore find more information on personalism, its philosophical origins, and the whole mess of Vatican II and John Paul II's encyclicals, right here: http://www.traditionalmass.org/Magisterium%20Vat2.htm.

This concludes my series on the humanism of Pope John Paul II. Much evidence has been left untouched, but one can only do so much. You will certainly hear more of John Paul II's horrendous and humanist/personalist statements in future articles on this site.

May God bless you, and may the holy Pius X intercede for our Holy Church.


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To: Maximilian
This is too big a topic to take up on this thread,

No doubt, but since I believe it was you who lodged the "man's the measure of all things" charge against GS, I'd be obliged if you'd offer a cite.

Yes, it's sobering to remember the faithless scoundrels who infested the Council and implemented its documents. (Every one of them brought up and ordained in the old rite, mind you). But Christianity has never been a Pelagian project, and the fact that the hierarchy comprises some men who're gravely unfit, others who're bent on folly, and still others who're flat-out evil doesn't particularly distinguish them from the great mass of humanity. I can summon only a limited sense of scandal when I think about the sinners who administer the institutional Church, because I know that neither they nor you & I are capable of getting it right on his own. What I'm interested in is the way the Holy Spirit works though even such as these.

I was under the impression the term "Creative destruction" originated with the political economist Schumpeter, not Hegel.

101 posted on 07/07/2004 2:15:07 PM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: Marcellinus; wideawake
I can assure you that you may have to learn a lot more about Edith Stein, her life and her works before passing judgment on her right to be declared a saint.

To find out whether or not Alice von Hildebrand was right, I googled "feminism Edith Stein" and got back 3,220 hits. On just the first page of results alone I see these excerpts:

"The life and work of Edith Stein are of immense importance to the women's family planning movement, and to feminism generally"

"Edith Stein became "the voice of Catholic feminism."

"Cross, Nancy M. “A Higher Middle Ground: Blessed Edith Stein’s Feminism.”

"To those without faith, Edith Stein's story surely looks like a series ... recognition she deserves for her contributions to feminism, phenomenology, educational"

"Dissertations on Edith Stein as of 7/1/98: TITLE: SIMONE DE BEAUVOIR AND EDITH STEIN: A PHILOSOPHICAL ANALYSIS OF FEMINISM"

103 posted on 07/07/2004 2:28:54 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Romulus
since I believe it was you who lodged the "man's the measure of all things" charge against GS, I'd be obliged if you'd offer a cite.

That must have been someone else.

104 posted on 07/07/2004 2:34:30 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: wideawake
I'd have to remember that I'm neither a theologian nor a pastor, and that I should study more and be humbler rather than condemn the Pope out of turn.

Sounds like you are saying that the Pope is always right even when he "writes something odd".

Let me ask you this: is it ever appropriate to question a Pope? If so, who would be the appropriate individual to question him?

105 posted on 07/07/2004 2:43:27 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Maximilian

sorry; you're right.


106 posted on 07/07/2004 2:46:43 PM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: Grey Ghost II
Let me ask you this: is it ever appropriate to question a Pope?

There is a difference between asking someone to clarify a statement and declaring them a deposed apostate.

The faithful have the right to ask for clarifications and do so frequently.

If so, who would be the appropriate individual to question him?

The best candidate would be his confessor.

107 posted on 07/07/2004 2:49:49 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Maximilian

You should follow up that "family planning" link - you might be surprised by what you find.


108 posted on 07/07/2004 2:51:25 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: pegleg
Yes, that's what I am referring to. Thank you. He takes a cautious approach by what sounds like a respectable priest, especially concerning the Toronto Blessing. There is also a link to the official church position regarding charisms of the new springtime in the church.

My gut reaction is that if the prelates in the Vatican had been around this sort of thing as long as some of the rest of us have, what would their discernment be?

But the bottom line is that, wisely or unwisely, the church has permitted some of it, and what goes on in healing masses is kind of like Toronto Blessing lite.

Nowhere in catholic churches have the manifestations gotten as crazy as what they have been elsewhere, but one just cannot help but wonder if the source is the same, but tailored specifically so as to gain acceptance among catholics.

Did the pope really know what he was doing when he gave this movement his blessing? I doubt he ever heard of slaying in the spirit at that time, although surely he was acquainted with the modern version of speaking in tongues if only by reading or being told about it. I would really be surprised if any regulars in the Vatican engaged in speaking in tongues as a part of their spiritual life.

109 posted on 07/07/2004 2:51:48 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ultima ratio

Do you get to choose whether or not 14-year old cheap tricks hawk for the FReepathon on your threads or are the more tasteless adverts simply the luck of the draw?


Excellent article.


110 posted on 07/07/2004 2:53:20 PM PDT by Askel5
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=== When we look at John Paul II's philosophical interests and upbringing, we see that he admired and/or was influenced by Edmund Husserl, Max Scheler, Jacques Maritain, Henri de Lubac, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.


Though his first love was theatre, no?


111 posted on 07/07/2004 2:55:16 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Aliska; pegleg
Did the pope really know what he was doing when he gave this movement his blessing?

The charismatics pulled the same PR game with the Papacy that the Neocatechumenate did.

They brought thousands of their group to a papal audience.

The Pope, as is customary, said a few words and then blessed the group - not as an official endorsement, just the typical thing a prelate always does, say a general blessing.

Then the organizers asked for a photo and got one.

Later it was publicized as if the Pope had explicitly authorized the movement.

People are always trying to parlay a photograph, a rosary from the Pope's hand, a polite letter, etc. as evidence of the Pope's endorsement of their beliefs.

TFP, a quasitraditionalist cult, used to do the same thing as well.

Do not take such claims at face value.

113 posted on 07/07/2004 3:18:03 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
I thought your take on it was probably the way it came about, but here is what EWTN Answers has to say about it.

I understand that EWTN does not speak for the Vatican.

And as to PR, the Medjugorje followers pulled the same stunt, so I now understand how people can make it appear as it things have the sanction of high church leadership.

In any case, charismatics in the Catholic Church are here to stay until another generation tires of it, if they tire of it, and move on to something else.

How desperately we could use some specifics from the Vatican about healing masses, nonsacramental anointing, laying-on of hands, speaking in so-called tongues, this slaying in the spirit. By the way, I regard slaying in the spirit as more of an induced trance rather than fainting, but outwardly it appears somewhat like fainting. Then all of us would be in a better position to take a stand one way or another. The way things are, it is a fait accompli, making it appear as if it is being done with the blessing of heaven, unlike some other occurrences which the church did put a stop to, or tried to curtail, like Necedah and Bayside. Maybe they could have been more forceful about those, too, as it was left to the local bishops to deal with. That is beginning to be a cop out. Let the local bishops handle it. Surely they know how inconsistent results of such a course are likely to be worldwide, just like we are seeing with the fracas over the abortion politicians in one country. I don't think the church used to operate that way.

The faithful need to know they have church leadership at the top who will not let them fall into error and take strong measures against those who would lead people into error.

114 posted on 07/07/2004 3:38:37 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ultima ratio
hahahahaha... OK.. your right. I stand corrected. I didn't have to read very far before I saw where it was going..."John Paul's a greenie and he hasn't done anything right."

Is that more accurate?

115 posted on 07/07/2004 3:49:26 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Romulus; wideawake; Maximilian; All

Here is what JPII has said: "this man is the primary route that the Church must travel in fulfilling her mission: he is the primary and fundamental way for the Church, the way traced out by Christ himself."

Think about it. He's not saying Jesus became man and ennobled us thereby. He is saying Man himself is the primary path that the Church has to travel. Does he say this path is Christ? No. He's saying this path is the path Christ traced out--and somehow everybody's on it, the whole human race. He makes no distinctions among those who walk this path, none whatsoever between nature and grace. And he's saying the Church has to follow this path PRIMARILY--apparently even before it follows divine revelation. And whereas Jesus invited all to follow him, indicating that some would be saved and some would not, the Pope takes a lyric leap from the fact that the Word became flesh to the fact that we are all automatically somehow Christified, regardless of faith, by virtue of the Incarnation. So it's no wonder he presides over prayer festivals of all religions. By his way of thinking we're all somehow members of one big ecumenical religion where the Archbishop of Canterbury rubs shoulders with the pope and the pope prays with animists in the Togo Forest and Hindu priests pray to their gods at Fatima.

This is not Catholicism, it's heresy.


116 posted on 07/07/2004 4:55:08 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: wideawake
You should follow up that "family planning" link - you might be surprised by what you find.

I'm not claiming, nor was I thinking, that Edith Stein was some sort of Margaret Sanger supporter. Far from it. But she WAS a promoter of phenomenological personalism, the issue in the article that started this thread.

You might be willing to compare her with Dietrich von Hildebrand. And I'm sure that's why Alice von Hildebrand was on EWTN talking about her -- it's part of her campaign to get her ex-husband canonized. But although Dietrich von Hildebrand is very popular with some traditionalists because of the stance he took after Vatican II, he's not popular with me, because he was probably the single biggest promoter of personalism, and he never recanted his part in the revolution. He was willing to criticize everyone else like the liturgical revolutionaries, but he never admitted that his part of the revolution was equally damaging.

117 posted on 07/07/2004 5:10:45 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Askel5
or are the more tasteless adverts simply the luck of the draw?

They seem to rotate every time you refresh the page. So you can actually see several different adverts on the same thread if you come back a few times. The good part is that you're not stuck with the same one if it's offensive, but the bad part is that you'll see a wider selection.

118 posted on 07/07/2004 5:12:31 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Askel5
Though his first love was theatre, no?

Interesting point. "Phenomenological performance art" -- maybe that's the best description of his pontificate.

119 posted on 07/07/2004 5:13:58 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: wideawake
The charismatics pulled the same PR game with the Papacy that the Neocatechumenate did.

The Neocatechumate have gone way beyond simply blessing a few rosaries. The pope has repeatedly encouraged these "new movements" in explicit terms. And you might group "Opus Dei" under the same umbrella. No one is going to claim that the pope merely blessed a few of their rosaries.

120 posted on 07/07/2004 5:15:57 PM PDT by Maximilian
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