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To: Aliska; pegleg
Did the pope really know what he was doing when he gave this movement his blessing?

The charismatics pulled the same PR game with the Papacy that the Neocatechumenate did.

They brought thousands of their group to a papal audience.

The Pope, as is customary, said a few words and then blessed the group - not as an official endorsement, just the typical thing a prelate always does, say a general blessing.

Then the organizers asked for a photo and got one.

Later it was publicized as if the Pope had explicitly authorized the movement.

People are always trying to parlay a photograph, a rosary from the Pope's hand, a polite letter, etc. as evidence of the Pope's endorsement of their beliefs.

TFP, a quasitraditionalist cult, used to do the same thing as well.

Do not take such claims at face value.

113 posted on 07/07/2004 3:18:03 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
I thought your take on it was probably the way it came about, but here is what EWTN Answers has to say about it.

I understand that EWTN does not speak for the Vatican.

And as to PR, the Medjugorje followers pulled the same stunt, so I now understand how people can make it appear as it things have the sanction of high church leadership.

In any case, charismatics in the Catholic Church are here to stay until another generation tires of it, if they tire of it, and move on to something else.

How desperately we could use some specifics from the Vatican about healing masses, nonsacramental anointing, laying-on of hands, speaking in so-called tongues, this slaying in the spirit. By the way, I regard slaying in the spirit as more of an induced trance rather than fainting, but outwardly it appears somewhat like fainting. Then all of us would be in a better position to take a stand one way or another. The way things are, it is a fait accompli, making it appear as if it is being done with the blessing of heaven, unlike some other occurrences which the church did put a stop to, or tried to curtail, like Necedah and Bayside. Maybe they could have been more forceful about those, too, as it was left to the local bishops to deal with. That is beginning to be a cop out. Let the local bishops handle it. Surely they know how inconsistent results of such a course are likely to be worldwide, just like we are seeing with the fracas over the abortion politicians in one country. I don't think the church used to operate that way.

The faithful need to know they have church leadership at the top who will not let them fall into error and take strong measures against those who would lead people into error.

114 posted on 07/07/2004 3:38:37 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: wideawake
The charismatics pulled the same PR game with the Papacy that the Neocatechumenate did.

The Neocatechumate have gone way beyond simply blessing a few rosaries. The pope has repeatedly encouraged these "new movements" in explicit terms. And you might group "Opus Dei" under the same umbrella. No one is going to claim that the pope merely blessed a few of their rosaries.

120 posted on 07/07/2004 5:15:57 PM PDT by Maximilian
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