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To: wideawake
I thought your take on it was probably the way it came about, but here is what EWTN Answers has to say about it.

I understand that EWTN does not speak for the Vatican.

And as to PR, the Medjugorje followers pulled the same stunt, so I now understand how people can make it appear as it things have the sanction of high church leadership.

In any case, charismatics in the Catholic Church are here to stay until another generation tires of it, if they tire of it, and move on to something else.

How desperately we could use some specifics from the Vatican about healing masses, nonsacramental anointing, laying-on of hands, speaking in so-called tongues, this slaying in the spirit. By the way, I regard slaying in the spirit as more of an induced trance rather than fainting, but outwardly it appears somewhat like fainting. Then all of us would be in a better position to take a stand one way or another. The way things are, it is a fait accompli, making it appear as if it is being done with the blessing of heaven, unlike some other occurrences which the church did put a stop to, or tried to curtail, like Necedah and Bayside. Maybe they could have been more forceful about those, too, as it was left to the local bishops to deal with. That is beginning to be a cop out. Let the local bishops handle it. Surely they know how inconsistent results of such a course are likely to be worldwide, just like we are seeing with the fracas over the abortion politicians in one country. I don't think the church used to operate that way.

The faithful need to know they have church leadership at the top who will not let them fall into error and take strong measures against those who would lead people into error.

114 posted on 07/07/2004 3:38:37 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
The way things are, it is a fait accompli, making it appear as if it is being done with the blessing of heaven, unlike some other occurrences which the church did put a stop to, or tried to curtail, like Necedah and Bayside.

I've done a fair amount of reading about the Vatican vis a vis apparitions. I was trying to get to the bottom of the Church's position on Medjugorie. I've never had the least hesitancy about believing in Lourdes, Fatima, and even lesser known ones like Knock. I never believed in Medjugore, and its disciples' main argument was that the Vatican had not yet ruled on it.

I searched and searched. Finally, I found out that the local Bishop makes the proclamation. Then, I read through a big fat book about St. Bernadette, and there it was confirmed for me that the Vatican doesn't make the ruling, the local Bishop does. So, that's the rule of thumb - if the local Bishop says no, then it's no. Yes, then it's yes. The Bishop of Medjugorie, a very holy man, said there was nothing happening there, and the whole Bishops Conference of (what country? Croatia?) even joined him, although it wasn't necessary. The Bishop/s thought that to turn away the crowds would be to spur them on, but they tried to minimize the area as much as possible.

By the way, a friend of mine (since deceased) had been an avid charismatic, and Medjugorie believer. I told her that nothing was happening there. She went on pilgrimage with friends, and came back basically knowing that nothing was happening there.

131 posted on 07/07/2004 7:39:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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