Vatican says wine must be put in chalices before consecration

Catholic News Service ^ | May 19, 2004 | Jerry Filteau

[sinkspur]

I still don't understand why we now receive the Eucharist in both forms? Why is this necessary? This was not done for hundreds of years. Why now?

Communion under both kinds was the common way of reception in the early Church (along with reception of the Body of Christ in the hand).

It is not "necessary"; one is free to receive under one kind only.

[Bigg Red]

...one is free to receive under one kind only.

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I realize that, but what is the point now? Was the Mass dimished for all those hundreds of years that only one form was offered?

[sinkspur]

Was the Mass dimished for all those hundreds of years that only one form was offered?

Of course not. But the practice of the early Church was restored. The laity participates, along with the priest, in receiving under both kinds.

[heyheyhey]

It reversed a widespread custom, codified in U.S. norms approved in 2002, that called for distribution of the consecrated wine into the chalices at the time of the breaking of the bread, just before Communion.

O.K. folks, here is the U.S. norms approved in 2002.

Would anyone show me where is the distribution of the consecrated wine into the chalices just before Communion "codified" in it?

Thank you in advance.

[sinkspur]

I don't see where it is. Actually, it says that chalices with wine are to be placed on the altar at the Offertory. That was not done, of course, and I suspect, there will be many places where it will STILL not be done.

How about this:

If extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion are required by pastoral need, they should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion

I don't know of ANY parish where this was done; EMs come up after the Our Father.

I know that will not be changed in our parish. Storming the altar after the priest receives is certainly not prayerful.

[Desdemona]

If extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion are required by pastoral need, they should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion

I don't know of ANY parish where this was done; EMs come up after the Our Father.

Come to my parish. Not only do they not approach, they really don't enter the central part of the Sanctuary at all. They receive on the edge behind the pillars. And of late, only clergy distribute the Body. It doesn't matter if there are only three present.

[heyheyhey]

I don't see where it is.

Exactly! I think it's a case of very poor reporting by the CNS; they gave account of documents they never read.

I don't know of ANY parish where this was done.

I my humble opinion, those things depend in 99% on the local parish priest. I know a few good ones and everyone in their parishes "plays by the rules."

[Desdemona]

I my humble opinion, those things depend in 99% on the local parish priest. I know a few good ones and everyone in their parishes "plays by the rules."

Well, the rules set by the priests. Not many people read the actual documents and those of us who do and insist on following the actual letter of them usually get fed up and find somewhere else to go to church.

[Desdemona]

Now that I think about it, when those directives came out two years ago, they were put into practice here by order of the archbishop almost immediately. I want to say they came out during Lent and they were in effect everywhere by Pentecost.