Olmsted's stamp on Diocese [of Phoenix]

East Valley Tribune [AZ] ^ | May 2, 2004 | Lawn Griffiths

[Notwithstanding]

oh vey

ignore posts from you-know-who (in case you do not already know about his (her?) odd behavior)

every time I give up on him (her?) he comes out with a good observation, but there are so many troll-ish posts in between from him (her?) that I label any posts coming from him (her?) as toxic

[dsc]

"I asked for some specific citations, and you give me musings."

No, I gave you some facts about the way the world is ordered. You know, the kind of thing that causes you to flee in terror.

[Phx_RC]

Related threads:
Don't back gays, bishop tells priests (4/28/2004) [No Longer Silent priest members]
Priest suspended over communion (4/30/2004) [Fr. Cunningham suspended]
New bishop shows his view of gays (5/1/2004) [First article opposing the Bishop]

[old and tired]

I am jealous of your new bishop. I hope Cardinal Rigali is planning a similar cleanup here in Philadelphia. (Though outside the colleges, we don't have the open dissent problem your diocese seems to have).

[Desdemona]

Rigali may shy away from going after universities. He tried to stop the sale of St. Louis University Hospital to a for-profit group and was overruled in Rome. After all SLU is a Jesuit school. I'm waiting for the day Burke take it on. This should be interesting.

[johnb2004]

I am very happy for you folks and very jealous. We need about 100,000 more men like this bishop and then we may start to see some improvement.

[johnb2004]

Stop it. This bishop needs to clean house. Out with the cadaverous CTA losers who hate the Truth. He should excommunicate them!

[dangus]

>>You don't want to "help" Olmsted; you want to destroy priests. If Olmsted is the man of God you paint him to be, he will refuse your "help."<<

Sinkspur, that is the most unflattering thing you've ever said. You've been a voice for moderation, but your statement is fantastically judgmental.

Do you even know what "No Longer Silent" is? It's a group of priests and protestant clergy which advocates homosexual *acts* (not mere toleration for inclinations), gay marriage, sexual mutilation (transgenderism), and many other forms of perversion, comparing the Church's present stance to the Nazi holocaust. It would be fair to say that any priest involved in "No Longer Silent" is actively seeking to undermine the Catholic Church itself, a fifth column within the church.

[sinkspur]

No, I gave you some facts about the way the world is ordered.

You gave me your opinion of the way the world is ordered.

That doesn't necessarily equate to reality.

[dsc]

"That doesn't necessarily equate to reality."

It's meaningless to quibble over whether it "necessarily" equates to reality.

"Necessarily" or not, that's how it is.

[Arthur McGowan]

Some priests NEED to be "destroyed." It's time to have more sympathy for the people whose lives have been wrecked by heretical, corrupt priests, and less sympathy for wolves in sheeps' clothing.

[Notwithstanding]

Exactly.

As sink would say, its better to scrutinize all priests to ensure the priests who pervert the faith (or who are perverts) are caught and punished.

Its about accountability, after all, right sink?
Bishops need to crack down on those who pervert the faith (or who are perverts).

Right sink?

[RonF]

They're homo activists. Homo activists are homos. Homos bugger underage boys.

Let me be sure I understand this statement. Your contention is 1) people who actively support greater civil rights for homosexuals are inevitably themselves homosexual, and 2) male homosexuals inevitably see sexual gratification with boys?

[johnb2004]

Let me help. Those who are immersed in grave sin or those who have people close to them who are in grave sin, often can't accept the truth because to accept the truth would mean they would have to change the way they live their lives. For instance, no more homosexual conduct.

Those who advocate for homosexual conduct are those who practice grave sin in some way or at the very least tolerate sin because they have poorly formed consciences. Most often, they are immersed in some sinful way of life.

Male homosexuals have an affinity for young males. Male homosexuals have an affinity for multiple partners. Do you have proof to the contrary?

[dsc]

"support greater civil rights for homosexuals are inevitably themselves homosexual"

Oh, there are fag hags, and guys trying to make it with fag hags, and politicians using the issue to pander, and people whose close relatives are afflicted with SSAD and are wrongheadedly trying to help them by encouraging them in their disorder...but generally speaking, people who invest copious amounts of time in seeking special privileges for fudge packers are fudge packers.

Oh, these days, any liberal will give the issue lip service, but when it comes down to serious business like priests making public statements, that kind of committment is personal.

"2) male homosexuals inevitably seek sexual gratification with boys?"

Don't tell me you're going to quibble with that.

By the way, what they are seeking is not "civil rights" but the forced legitimization of psychosexual disorder.

[Arguss]

Bishop Olmsted is trying hard to undo Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien scandal fest in the Diocese of Phoenix.  He's even restoring the traditional Latin Mass.  But, why is he going after traditional Catholic chapels that kept the Faith despite Bishop O'Brien?

I think he has called them not Catholic. I suppose to a NO Bishop there is a certain truth to that, but they have maintained the faith while all about them it was disintegrating. I would think we owe a certain amount of thanks to traditionalists like the SSPX. Without them there would be no incentive whatever for NO Bishops to consider the Tridentine Mass. 

I believe that Bishop Olmstead has stated that he is offering the Tridentine Mass now to recapture those who have fled the Church to the SSPX Chapels.

While it's a commendable action, and certainly a good start, and I understand he has plans to add more Priests to the 'program', I wish he would have more faith in the salvific properties of the Mass than just trying to thin the ranks of the SSPX.

I understand the Priest who is heading up the Tridentine endeavor has said a Priest who had recently gone to SSPX because he wasn't allowed to say the Tridentne Mass has been excommunicated. Is that true? Or an outright lie that he cannot substantiate?

It would seem unusual to outright excommunicate a good Priest, and yet equivocate over excommunicating a reprobate such as Cunningham.

[Notwithstanding]

forgot to type your full name in here (freudian slip was that I typed in "sin" instead!)

[RonF]

>i>Male homosexuals have an affinity for young males. Male homosexuals have an affinity for multiple partners. Do you have proof to the contrary?

The gays I've known have been interested in people their own age. I don't contest that there are some who are interested in much younger partners. There are heterosexuals who act the same way, after all. But if you would contend that such interest, and acting on it, are not just occasional but inevitable, I'd have to say the burden of proof is on you.

[RonF]

"2) male homosexuals inevitably seek sexual gratification with boys?"

Don't tell me you're going to quibble with that.

Yes, actually, I am. That assertion would be outside my experience (I'm not gay, but I have some gay friends) and I'd want to see some proof.

[SuziQ]

said Mary Jane Benton, a Scottsdale Catholic. "Our new bishop has given out rules and regulations, instead of healing and compassion as Jesus modeled."

Yeah, well, the desire for healing and compassion got the Church into this mess, as they were compassionate to the priests who continued to abuse intead of kicking their butts OUT after they were returned from their 'healing', but continued to abuse!

There is a need for rules and regulation, and someone to make sure they are followed! GOod for you, Bishop Olmsted!