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To: orionblamblam
McCrone's?

Like you, McCrone refused to recognize ANY research except his own. McCrone's results have NOT been duplicated by any other scientist. He claims to see things that NO OTHER SCIENTIST sees. McCrone's findings have been discredited by EVERY OTHER SCIENTIST DOING RESEARCH ON THE SHROUD.

McCrone is not even being quoted by the TV tabloid shows anymore because he is so easily shown to be wrong by the results of far more sophisticated tests than any McCrone did.

How about all the scientists who analyzed the shroud and determiend it to be 14th century?

Are you still harping on the discredited Carbon 14 test? That is the ONLY research result that "determines" the Shroud might be 14th Century. Throughout this entire thread we have provided you PROOF of the invalidation of the Carbon 14 test.

What OTHER scientists who have analyzed the Shroud and "determined" it to be 14th Century? Please NAME them and show me their work in peer reviewed journals. Exactly what did they SEE in their researches that convinced them that it was 14th Century?

Remember, these have to be scientists, not second rate magicians, journalists, or writers with a book to sell, pushing a pet theory. Oh, and their research has to be since the 1978 STURP investigation.

94 posted on 04/18/2004 2:19:14 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker
> Throughout this entire thread we have provided you PROOF of the invalidation of the Carbon 14 test.

No, you have not. You have provided SUGGESTIONS that it's invalid. It will only be invalidated with MORE C-14 testing on other areas of the cloth.

> Remember, these have to be scientists, not second rate magicians

Actually a FIRST rate magician would be a marvelous persoon to have on hand here. Magicians such as James Randi or Penn & Teller are valuable resources when attempting to determien if somethign is a fraud, as they see things and think in ways that good scientists simply cannot. Scientists believe the data they produce, which is generally good... except whe they are dealing with someone who is actively trying to fool them.

The shroud shoud be studied by scientists, forensic investigators, magicians and artists, all working together, and with far better access than they've had to date.
98 posted on 04/18/2004 8:42:31 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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