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The Pascha miracle of Holy Fire appears at the tomb of Jesus Christ (pictures)
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Posted on 04/11/2004 1:46:16 AM PDT by Destro

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To: MarMema
There must be certain prayers or a specific formula which would prevent just anyone from going in and obtaining the Fire?
61 posted on 04/13/2004 1:08:26 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Ya got me. :-)

but do you happen to know who made my buckling?

62 posted on 04/13/2004 1:11:57 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
try this
63 posted on 04/13/2004 1:13:53 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
A mommy and a daddy goat?
64 posted on 04/13/2004 1:17:14 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Who made you?
65 posted on 04/13/2004 1:19:03 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
"For before I formed you in the womb I knew you"

and then God broke the mold :-)
66 posted on 04/13/2004 1:21:53 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: MarMema
I showed the picture to the girls. Of course, they loved it and think he is very cute.
67 posted on 04/13/2004 4:54:45 AM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: Destro
COOL!
68 posted on 04/13/2004 6:01:19 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Conservative til I die; Canticle_of_Deborah
My point was not to bash any-one but to raise this question:If God is showing such power in the Orthodox Church, why should a re-uniting with the Catholics occur under Roman Papal authority...the Peter Priciple perhaps? Yet if God is truly manifesting power in the Orthodox Church, why is there even a need for them to unite with any other denomination? Seems to me they are doing just fine by themselves in their own mission regarding God's kingdom. Many conservative evangelical churches have had healings and miracles and changed lives due to the grace of Jesus Christ...why should they stop and join back up with Rome when they seem to be doing just fine with their own missions in God's kingdom.
The real proof of God's approval is power, changed lives, and fruits of his Spirit occuring with in a church and in the lives of its people!
69 posted on 04/13/2004 6:30:54 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004...." MDMATHIS6, The Anti-Democrat")
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To: mdmathis6
We're not planning any reunions.
70 posted on 04/13/2004 9:49:56 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Aliska
If you want to talk about this more, let me know. I am truly surprised at the differences in our view of God.
71 posted on 04/13/2004 9:51:19 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
A mommy and a daddy goat?

Do you want to play? How did they know what to do?

72 posted on 04/13/2004 9:52:03 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: mdmathis6
I am not clear why you believe union with Rome is related to or necessary for miraculous phenomena. These are two entirely separate issues. Miracles are about God, not Rome, although the Roman Catholic Church has plenty of miraculous events in her own history.

If our faith is dependent on supernatural phenomena then we become like Thomas. It is much more challenging to believe day after day with no validation. In fact, that is the true definition of faith. As Jesus says, Blessed are those who do not see but believe anyway.

73 posted on 04/13/2004 11:42:51 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: mdmathis6; Romulus; Aliska; MarMema; Hermann the Cherusker; Polycarp IV; Destro; ...
Believers to watch Holy Fire descent on Holy Saturday

16:37 2004-04-10

Thousands of believers will gather near the Holy Sepulchre Church in Jerusalem in the anticipation of the miraculous descent of the Holy Fire.

According to a RIA Novosti correspondent, among the believers will be Russian political, religious and public figures who had arrived in Jerusalem within the delegation of the Social Fund of Andrew the First Called Apostle. They will deliver the Holy Fire to Moscow from Jerusalem just in time for the Easter church service to begin in the Church of Christ the Savior at 11 p.m. Moscow time.

The Holy Fire has been descending in the Holy Sepulchre Church for more than one millenium. The famous Church Father St. Gregory of Nyssa is believed to be one of the first to mention the miracle on the eve of the Resurrection of Christ back in the 4th century.

The church service of the Holy Fire begins about 24 hours before the Orthodox Easter begins. This year it coincides with the Easter celebrations of other Christian confessions.

Inside the Church above the Holy Sepulchre, there is a small chapel called Kuvuklia. As tradition has it, at 10-11 a.m. on Holy Saturday a priest clad in inner-rason brings a big icon lamp where the Holy Fire is expected to descend and 33 candles (the number of the years of Christ's earthly life) into the cave. Then Kuvuklia is sealed.

After a series of rituals, the Orthodox Patriarch stops opposite the entrance to the chapel. His chasuble is taken off, and he is left wearing the linen chimer only for everyone to see that he is not taking any matches or other fire making devices with him. The Patriarch goes inside, and the doors behind him are sealed with a big piece of wax and a red ribbon.

Then light is switched off in the church and anticipatory silence follows.

The believers pray, confess their sins and ask God to grant them the Holy Fire.

After a while, the entire Church becomes covered with lightning lines that seem to be sliding down the walls and columns. In parallel, the candles held by those inside the Church and on the square are miraculously lit up. Witnesses say that Kuvuklia then begins to shine, and a vertical broad column of light descends on the Holy Sepulchre through the hole in the church's dome. Then the doors of the church open and the Patriarch comes out to bless the believers and gives them the Holy Fire.

Notably, in the beginning the fire has a miraculous feature - it does not burn at all.

74 posted on 04/13/2004 5:25:26 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
and a vertical broad column of light descends on the Holy Sepulchre through the hole in the church's dome.

That shows in a number of the pictures. It's quite amazing and would seem to be a great grace as all present are privileged to see it and not just a chosen few.

What is the meaning of it all?

75 posted on 04/13/2004 6:04:03 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Destro; MarMema
Found this:

The Miracle of the Holy Fire

12-Apr-04 Maria C. Khoury, Ed. D. The Miracle of the Holy Fire

The entire Christian community in Jerusalem today gathered to witness the greatest of all miracles-the Miracle of the Holy Fire. It was the first time I was not bothered by the soldiers, the police, the large crowds, the noise, the drums of the Boys Scouts and the Girl Scouts anxiously waiting to receive the Holy Fire from the Life Giving Tomb of Christ in the Holy Sepulchre.

It was an exciting day where representatives of many churches from all over the Holy Land come to receive the Holy Fire and carry it back in small lanterns to their particular churches for the Midnight Resurrection Service. Palestinians are not allowed to enter Jerusalem without a special permit thus this year many Christian Palestinians went to the extra trouble of getting permits in order to partake in this centuries old celebration that reflects our Christian heritage and deep roots in Palestine. Unfortunately there were three checkpoints inside the Old City so many people, although got a permit to enter Jerusalem, still got stuck outside the church of the Holy Sepulchre.

It is on this Great and Holy Saturday that the Holy Fire come down from Heaven and was received by the Greek Orthodox Patriarch as it has been done every year, on the same day, in the same manner, at the same time, at the same holy place of Christ's Life Giving Tomb. This is the miracle that allows us to know that Christ is in our midst. This is the miracle that allows us to feel that Christ is truly among us. This miracle is another way that God communicates to us. As we chant in our Midnight Resurrection Service: "Come ye and receive light from the unwaning Light, and glorify Christ, Who a rose from the dead."

My son Canaan was very careful to receive the Holy Fire by lighting his candle and keeping it in a lantern until we reached our small village of Taybeh. A wonderful parade was held to celebrate the Holy Fire entering our village. The priests of all three churches, Fr. Daoud, Fr. Raed and Fr. Jack led the faithful with the choir chanting to meet our cousins Ibrahim and Philip who traditionally go to the city of Ramallah to receive the Light from a patriarchate representative who brings it from Jerusalem to Ramallah for all the Palestinian Christian communities that cannot reach the Holy City including not just Taybeh, but Aboud, Birzeit, Jifna and Ein Arik.

It is one of the most magnificent celebrations in the Holy Land that has been overshadowed and forgotten during the reoccupation of the Palestinian Territories. For the last three years the boy scouts have not carried on our regular tradition of receiving the Holy Fire to the beat of the drums due to the bloodshed and violence. However, living the cycle of death every day, it was refreshing for the Christian community to rejoice in receiving the Holy Fire and celebrate that for us all hope lies in Christ our Savior. Four years of killing, back and forth, surely we have been living in the darkness of all evil. "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." (John 1:5)

Thus today we all received the Light that proceeded from the core of the stone that covers Christ's Life Giving Tomb and once again celebrated the oldest unbroken Christian ceremony that exists in the world [ed what about the Eucharist, etc.?]. By the way, many people make fun of me for participating in the ceremony of the Holy Fire but since as Christians we are not of this world, I really do not except the world to comprehend the eternal love and presence of God. It takes faith.

In Luke 16:15 we read that Jesus said: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" We witness the truth and received the Holy Fire today so that all who are not blessed to live in the land of Christ's Holy Resurrection can believe that Christ is the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (John 1:9)

"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things." (Luke 24:47) Our Christian community is small and diminishing but with God's help and your prayers can survive the terrible occupation, dreadful checkpoints, the collapsed economy, the segregation wall that is currently going up and the daily hardships that make life unbearable. Truly the Lord is Risen!

76 posted on 04/13/2004 7:13:22 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
At the same link, Israel joins Russia in persecuting RC priests. :=)

here

77 posted on 04/13/2004 7:17:09 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Yeah. Persecution. That's persecution lite :-).

Maybe at some point they won't allow Christians in any more. Probably the main reason they are allowed in now is due to treaties and tourism.

I didn't feel like talking about what you asked in another post. Too depressing for me sometimes.

78 posted on 04/13/2004 7:27:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Lion in Winter
France and Germany BACK to Christianity.

Actually church attendence rates are the lowest in the Protestant states of Northern europe including north Germany.
79 posted on 04/14/2004 5:39:33 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Lion in Winter
Looka at Spain. The man they elected is not a serious Christian.

Looka at the man WE elected in 1992.... countries MAKE mistakes.
80 posted on 04/14/2004 5:40:28 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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