Reuters PHOTO: "ROMAN CATHOLIC" John Kerry takes communion at AME Church [Is this kosher?]

REUTERS photo (via the Drudge thread) ^ | April 4, 2004 | RonDog

[RonDog]

Perhaps someone on the RELIGION forum can help us.

On tonight's Drudge thread there is some question as to the propriety of a ROMAN CATHOLIC taking communion in a NON-Catholic church.

See, for instance, my post 321:

To: tgslTakoma

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

Sun Apr 4, 3:16 PM ET

Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator John Kerry
(news - web sites) (D-Ma) and his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry (2nd from L)
kneel in prayer with Boston Mayor Tom Menino (3rd from L)
and his wife Angela as they wait to be served communion
during church services at the Charles Street AME Church
in the Dorchester section of Boston April 4, 2004.
REUTERS/Jim Bourg US ELECTION

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

[RonDog]

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I am NOT a Catholic, so I truly do NOT know.

What say you?

[Aliska]

It's definitely a no no. Catholics can attend noncatholic services, but are forbidden to participate in any sacraments therein.

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[RonDog]

Also from that thread:

To: tgslTakoma

In another article I read earlier today, Kerry's campaign has staffers who check out Catholic churches in advance of his attendance; they don't want any photos of Kerry being refused Communion by a priest.

So, for campaign purposes, for Kerry's "Communion photo ops," he has to go to a church other than the one he professes to be a devout member of.

See also:

Click to scroll to commentary.

Silence won't work any longer
[Hugh Hewitt on high-stakes moment for Church, Kerry, the unborn]
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | March 31, 2004 | Hugh Hewitt
Posted on 03/31/2004 6:14:11 AM PST by RonDog

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Posted: March 31, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware there's a problem with John Kerry," a Vatican official – an American – told Time Magazine this week, "and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion."

When John Kerry attended Mass during his skiing-snowboarding-upbraiding-the secret-service-agent-falling-down-repeatedly vacation, and then jetted off to make a rare appearance in the United States Senate to vote against a bill defining an unborn child as, well, an unborn child, devout Catholics across the country noticed.

Now we learn from Time magazine that Kerry's avowed Catholicism is eliciting rebukes from Catholic officials, and not just those in faraway Italy.

"When Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February," Time also reported, "St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him 'not to present himself for Communion' – an ostracism that Canon Law 915 reserves for 'those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin.'"

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

In another article I read earlier today, Kerry's campaign has staffers who check out Catholic churches in advance of his attendance; they don't want any photos of Kerry being refused Communion by a priest.

So, for campaign purposes, for Kerry's "Communion photo ops," he has to go to a church other than the one he professes to be a devout member of.

See also:

Click to scroll to commentary.

Silence won't work any longer
[Hugh Hewitt on high-stakes moment for Church, Kerry, the unborn]
www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | March 31, 2004 | Hugh Hewitt
Posted on 03/31/2004 6:14:11 AM PST by RonDog

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Silence won't work any longer

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Posted: March 31, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware there's a problem with John Kerry," a Vatican official – an American – told Time Magazine this week, "and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion."

When John Kerry attended Mass during his skiing-snowboarding-upbraiding-the secret-service-agent-falling-down-repeatedly vacation, and then jetted off to make a rare appearance in the United States Senate to vote against a bill defining an unborn child as, well, an unborn child, devout Catholics across the country noticed.

Now we learn from Time magazine that Kerry's avowed Catholicism is eliciting rebukes from Catholic officials, and not just those in faraway Italy.

"When Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February," Time also reported, "St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him 'not to present himself for Communion' – an ostracism that Canon Law 915 reserves for 'those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin.'"

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

[ladyinred]

I am not a Catholic either Ron, but is there any democrat who runs for any office who doesn't stop by a AME Church?

I am sure some Catholics will be here soon to say one way or another if this is permissible, but I am inclined to say it isn't in their Church.

[ahadams2]

Ping.

[RonDog]

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

Sun Apr 4, 3:36 PM ET


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry
(news - web sites), D-Mass., center left, takes Communion
during Palm Sunday services at the Charles St. AME Church,
in Boston's Roxbury district, Sunday, April 4, 2004.
(AP Photo/Steven Senne)

FWIW, both AP and Reuters seem to have had cameras AT THE ALTAR in this church.

[Loyalist]

No.

To partake of another denomination's communion is to claim that that denomination is one in faith, doctrine and unity with the Catholic Church, which the AME is not.

The AME has no apostolic orders, hence no sacramental priesthood; its ministers could not confect a sacramentally valid Eucharist, nor do they recognize the doctrine of transubstantion.

[Aliska]

FWIW, both AP and Reuters seem to have had cameras AT THE ALTAR in this church

They could have been off to the side and used a zoom lens.

This is startling, to say the least. Surely the church cannot stand by and be silent about this. They will try to be real pc and all, but they are almost going to have to say something.

[RonDog]

Do you have an e-mail address for the bishop of Boston?

[hellinahandcart]

FWIW, both AP and Reuters seem to have had cameras AT THE ALTAR in this church.

Yeah, what's up with that??

[RonDog]

ping

[Aliska]

I believe this is their official website

You can click around and see if you can find something. Probably better to call or write snail mail or something else.

[narses]

When my parish 'cohosted' services with Lutherans, I left. This is a major breach of Catholicism's rules. JF Kerry has committed an act of schism, if not apostacy. The question is, what will Rome do?

[Aliska]

Click on Archdiocesan Information, then you will see a link for a general contact form.

[Mo1]

I am NOT a Catholic, so I truly do NOT know.

Well I am Catholic and what he did is a big no no

But then .. when has Kerry ever given a hoot about the religion he claims to be

[patent]

>>>>This is startling, to say the least. Surely the church cannot stand by and be silent about this. They will try to be real pc and all, but they are almost going to have to say something.



I'm not sure they should. Kerry's bishop already told him he shouldn't dare take communion in a Catholic church. Maybe he is actually listening, or maybe he just fears the confrontation. Regardless, if he has stopped using Catholic Churches for photo ops, I consider that a good thing. He's started going to more and more non catholic churches on Sundays. If its a schism, we wish him the best of luck and sayonara.

I'm just tickled to see him go elsewhere. Makes it clear how uncatholic he is.

As to the original question on this page, no, a Catholic cannot recieve communion in a non-Catholic Church. Only exception I know if is in an Orthodox Church under very limited circumstances (you can't find a Catholic Church).


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[RonDog]

Thank you.

So, what is the punishment?

[patent]

>>>>The question is, what will Rome do?

Nothing, what should it do? It's supposed to comment everytime an unfaithful politician leaves its ranks? Turn off the "Rome is failing us" bias for a second and think about it.

The time to talk is when he is running around claiming to be Catholic. His Bishop has already addressed that issue, for Kerry and for all pro-aborts in that diocese.

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[patent]

>>>>So, what is the punishment?

Besides the ones meted out by God in the end? Nothing, what should the Church do if you leave it? It's your free will.

If you want to return, confession is a must, of course, but its not like they are sitting over your shoulder making sure you do everything (even for a public figure like JKerry). Your salvation is your responsibility. They will tell you what you should do, but they don't punish you when you decide to ignore them.

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