Latin Masses to be allowed after 25 years

Arizona Republic ^ | 3/17/2004 | Michael Clancy

[lrslattery]

Latin, the ancient language of the Catholic Church, will be allowed in Diocese of Phoenix churches for the first time in at least 25 years.

Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted, reversing 20 years of diocesan policy, announced the change to priests at a meeting earlier this month. A committee will report today on details.

[stop_fascism]

I know what you mean. My poor nona was horrified when she went to a moderm mass and saw the priest turning his back to the altar.

[cebadams]

Nope, not a single Latin Mass in all of the Archdiocese of Detroit. :-(

[kstewskis]

Oh, those lucky, lucky people!

So come visit us in Phoenix! :)

[Piers-the-Ploughman]

didn't Jesus heal on the sabbath? Did Jesus allow them to get their ox out of a pit on the sabbath?

would there be any similarity to the situation here?

[dsc]

"Are the Byzantines, Melkites, Syrians, etc. "a step downward"? I'll have to tell my Melkite Catholic Priest friend you said that. I'm sure he'll be amused."

Fine, let him be amused. Celibate men can give more to the Church than married men, just as celibate nuns can give more than married women.

A celibate priesthood and other holy orders are better for that reason alone, without even getting into the implications of a willingness to make that sacrifice.

Consider, too, that the discipline of celibacy frees up a lot of time that can be used in prayer, study, contemplation, or other activities that make a man a better priest.

I actually feel sorry for rites and denominations that don't have celibate priests.

[dsc]

"showoff!"

I don't actually speak Latin, I've just memorized some prayers.

[dsc]

"I would think that they're a step "upward" at this point; they've preserved the truth better than the West. Some of their practices/customs will never fly well in the US, but that doesn't weaken their message."

It is not my intent to criticize them, just to say that I think a celibate priesthood is better than a married priesthood.

"(such as those that have the genders sit separately in the Church)"

Maybe later.

[cebadams]

From Sisters of Mary Mother of the Eucharist:

Shortly after their canonical establishment, the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist accepted an invitation from Bishop Carl F. Mengeling to teach in the Diocese of Lansing.  Mr. Tom Monaghan, a well-known Catholic entrepreneur, generously welcomed the Sisters, and asked them to administer and staff Spiritus Sanctus Academy, a new adventure in Catholic education sponsored by the Domino Foundation.

[Tuco Ramirez]

I also prefer a celibate priesthood; due to the structure of the Church, I believe the Eastern Churches will always have a married clergy.

[ArrogantBustard]

Celibate men can give more to the Church ...

All arguements I've made for maintaining and reinforcing the discipline of celibacy within the Latin Rite Catholic Priesthood. And yet ... the Byzantines et al. seem to do just fine with married parish Priests, and celibate monks and Bishops. And as has been observed on this thread, they've managed to avoid or repel the onslaught of the liturgical lunatics ... unlike us Latins.

The ones I feel sorry for are the Latin Catholics who must endure the likes of Cardinal Mahoney and Archbishop Weakland, and their ilk at the Parish Pastor level.

[ArrogantBustard]

I spoke in the plural (signs) with good reason.

[cebadams]

>> I spoke in the plural (signs) with good reason.

Yes, I just thought you would like to see a couple dozen of them.

[ArrogantBustard]

Yes, I just thought you would like to see a couple dozen of them.

Thank you, you though correctly; I like it very much indeed.
May God abundantly bless them in their Vocation.

[sinkspur]

Consider, too, that the discipline of celibacy frees up a lot of time that can be used in prayer, study, contemplation, or other activities that make a man a better priest.

Boy, those Anglican dispensation guys will be surprised to hear this.

The ones we have in our diocese (five of them, all married, and ALL pastors of large parishes) are heads-and-shoulders above most of the celibates. They're much better preachers and as dedicated to their parishes as most celibates.

Most celibates obviously don't devote their "spare time" to prayer and contemplation.

[sinkspur]

I actually feel sorry for rites and denominations that don't have celibate priests.

Celibate men are free to join any denomination or Eastern Rite. Apparently, they just don't.

The truth be told, there are many men in the Catholic priesthood who are not celibate first. They are priests first, and struggle with celibacy later.

[american colleen]

Agreed. Must be the work of the Holy Spirit and also that the rites are so much smaller. Imagine a one of those liturgical professionals coming in wanting to "fix things"?

On a secular note, how are the married families in those rites supported financially? Is it that the donations are accumulated by the diocese of that particular rite and then dispersed accordingly? Do they have a problem staffing the parishes in undesirable locations (dangerous)? Do the funds from the Roman rite partially sustain the other Catholic rites? I ask because I know some priests in the Orthodox Churches have jobs outside of the priesthood in order to sustain their families.

[american colleen]

Boy, those Anglican dispensation guys will be surprised to hear this.

Most of them have families that are grown - no children.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

They're much better preachers and as dedicated to their parishes as most celibates.

Most celibates obviously don't devote their "spare time" to prayer and contemplation.

That does not hold true for the traditional priests I have met.

[american colleen]

Most celibates obviously don't devote their "spare time" to prayer and contemplation.

How does one find that out?

[gbcdoj]

I think your reading of that passage is off. Paul seems to be saying that he and Barnabas have a right to take along a wife, like the other apostles are actually doing.

I doubt the apostles would have actually abandoned their wives:
"In like manner also if any presbyter or deacon on pretence of piety has dismissed his wife, let him be excluded from communion; and if he persevere in this let him be deposed." (Canon XIII, Synod of Trullo)