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Losing My Religion
Sonoma County Independent ^ | April 2-8, 1998 | David Templeton

Posted on 03/15/2004 3:26:49 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: Bismark
OK, thanks. That's the type of feedback I was looking for!
41 posted on 03/16/2004 4:27:13 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Bismark; Gamecock
Calvary Distinctives
42 posted on 03/16/2004 4:46:17 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Let your light so shine before men....)
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To: Gamecock
We all prayed that an experience that overpowering, that mystical, that cool, might someday happen to us.

You wanted to drown people? You thought that was cool?

Don't know anything about Calvary Chapel although I have been to Vineyard services a few times but this kind of over-dramitazation tends to make me think that this young man has a problem still.

If he was overly dramatic then and he is telling his story in such a overly dramatic fashion now maybe just maybe it is all part and parcel of the same thing.

43 posted on 03/16/2004 4:47:39 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proudly out of step with the majority since 1973)
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To: Gamecock
I've been to Calvary Chapels in Kali and Ark. I found them to be aimed at the younger people in both music and preaching.

As I listened very carefully to the preaching I did not find anything amiss or "cultic" in it.

In looking over their bookstore I found them to be well filled with really good reference and study books on various bible doctrines. There was even several copies of Martin Luther's "BONDAGE OF THE WILL" there.

As I am not a member I still haven't seen anything out of the ordinary and would go visit them again when I visit my friends in Kali.
44 posted on 03/16/2004 9:15:18 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
This article was disturbing to say the least. I have never been to a CC myself, but wanted to clear up one thing. I was raised in a Baptist Church and "backsliding" meant that you turned away from God and went back into sin. That term is used in many Churches to refer to former Christians.
45 posted on 03/16/2004 9:44:40 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Thanks!
46 posted on 03/17/2004 4:08:08 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I myself started going to, and attending the high school of, Calvary Chapel Downey at the age of 14. I went there for about ten years. I was one of those in the intimate circle of Calvary Chapel of Downey. I was friends with many that worked in the church, and was known by many of the 10,000+ that go there, as well as many of the pastors, both old and new. I started having my own questions and concerns about their particular way of "teaching" the Word, and became completely outcast when I decided to leave their church altogether.

It was great to read and relate to so many of the same things in this article! I've emailed it to my one and ONLY friend from high school. I experienced the same losing of friends when I decided to leave the church. The only reason she and I are still friends is because she held the same beliefs about the church that I do...that they're judgemental, cruel, and expect the unobtainable goal of perfection from each and every one of it's members/church-goers in order to actually receive the salvation that was originally promised them from a simple prayer. It's a cruel game, this one. They start out by saying, "All you have to do is say this simple prayer, and you are guaranteed your place in heaven." What they DON'T say is that they will then require you to listen exclusively to Christian music, ONLY hang out with the best Christians as friends, go to church at least two times per week (the more you go, the better the Christian), and if you decide to question ANYTHING in the church, you are backslidden and/or your faith has weakened and you must pray for the Lord for forgiveness and mercy. Slip up once, and you are labeled (I should know, I'm a single mom and lost MANY friends when I wound up pregnant, and gained many long stares and whispers and gossip). It's amazing to me that anyone would subject themselves to this lifestyle.

For those that are reading this...I still believe in the Word of God, and in Jesus, but I DO NOT believe in expecting spiritual perfection from people, something which no human, even Pastor Jeff, could attain. I feel for those that are still going to that church, or any of its affiliates.


47 posted on 12/22/2004 4:32:45 PM PST by maherwoman (Feelin' for the Calvarianites)
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To: Gamecock

I have listened to teaching from Calvary Chapel teachers for years. I attend a Christian Church with elder governance.
One of the "sayings" of one of the pastors at my church is "...No book but the Bible and no creed but Christ..."
I have found Calvary Chapel teaching to be Bible based and sound. It takes a lifetime to know Jesus and grow into Him. Christians are seeking to know and follow Christ. "cool spiritual experiences"..... can be managed with help from the hot place, and are not a sign of spiritual maturity at all. I agree with our brothers on this post who detect that this person probably never knew he needed a Savior, and never knew the Savior. He described a disappointing social experience, which will ALWAYS happen when you follow a man and not JESUS.


48 posted on 12/22/2004 6:05:17 PM PST by bperiwinkle7 ("In the beginning was the Word.....")
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