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To: JohnnyM
"You see YHWH as a liar, correct?"

No

John 14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Isaiah 42
8 I am YHWH, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images.

2,504 posted on 04/07/2004 2:50:41 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
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Please don't ping the Moderator:

Three Eastern European Jews named Berel, Cherel, and Shmerel were talking about moving to the US.

Berel says "when I move to America, I'm going to have to change my name.

They won't call me Berel anymore;  they'll call me Buck."

Cherel says "when I move to America, I'll also have to change my name.

They'll won't call me call me Cherel anymore; they'll call me Chuck."

Then Shmerel says..... "I'm not moving".


2,506 posted on 04/07/2004 2:58:20 PM PDT by D-fendr (^_^)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I see Jesus as God. So no conflict.

JM
2,507 posted on 04/07/2004 3:06:07 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Your #2504: John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Isaiah 42:8 I am YHWH, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images.

There are lots of places in the Tanakh where YHVH/Elohim (Elohim customarily read as singular but it is plural) speaks out against pagan gods, saying there is but One God that true believers must worship, and He will not give His glory to pagan idols.

Now the time comes for YHVH to come to earth to redeem His people as prefigured in the Pesach sacrifice. He is born of woman like anyone else. He walks among men like any other man, except this is YHVH, the Redeemer, in the flesh. The angel Gabriel instructs Joseph to name the child Yehoshua, meaning "savior".

So apparently the problem for you arises when Yehoshua comes to Earth, because He speaks of His Father in Heaven and says They are One. So this is what One God means! But you (along with most Jews and most Christians) say One God can only mean the number one -- rather than a perfect unity of heart, mind, purpose, thought, action, etc. -- so therefore you say our Father in Heaven is YHVH and therefore Yehoshua cannot be God, nor can the New Testament be anything more than commentary.

Creed-believing Christians know that Yehoshua is YHVH come to Earth in the flesh and the New Testament is the Word of God, but have gone off in an unBiblical direction since the fourth century to try to explain why God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are One in the number-one sense.

But God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of YHVH) are One God in the perfect unity sense.

John 17:20-21
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Book of Mormon, Mosiah 13:33-35
33 For behold, did not Moses prophesy unto them concerning the coming of the Messiah, and that God should redeem his people? Yea, and even all the prophets who have prophesied ever since the world began—have they not spoken more or less concerning these things?
34 Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth?
35 Yea, and have they not said also that he should bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, and that he, himself, should be oppressed and afflicted?

2,566 posted on 04/08/2004 12:55:15 AM PDT by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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