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To: IMRight
I'm not sure you read my post. One does not imply the other. In my example He WOULD have "dies for ALL" but not had all apply the sacrifice. You're translating that as "only died for the ones who applied it". That only "doesn't follow" it's "incorrect".

Then He did not die for all, only the ones that applied the blood over the doorpost. If it was not applied Christ did not save them did he? So he died only for the ones that repented and believed. Otherwise you have a universal atonement .

So I ask again, If Christ died for ALL men and God ACCEPTED the sacrifice (as proved by the resurrection) .How can God demand that men pay for the sin His son already paid for. Either it was for ALL MEN without exception, or it was for those that would repent and believe.

Do you believe that when Jesus said it is finished he meant maybe it is finished? Do you believe God fore-knew those that would be saved?

2,441 posted on 04/07/2004 1:02:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: RnMomof7
Then He did not die for all, only the ones that applied the blood over the doorpost. If it was not applied Christ did not save them did he? So he died only for the ones that repented and believed. Otherwise you have a universal atonement.

You can say it as many times as you wish, but it is still a circular argument. You attempt to demonstrate that He didn't die for all by saying He didn't die for all. There is no persuasive value to the post.

It's all wrapped up in John 3:16

"For God so loved "just the people who loved Him back"...??? No. The world.

Just go and look up what "the world" means. Remember "in the world" or "of the world"? It most certainly does not refer to just the elect.

God gave His Son for ALL. Not "all" have accepted it. The ticket is sitting there at the "will call" window just waiting to let them in - all paid up in full. But, sadly, some go unclaimed.

Do you believe that when Jesus said it is finished he meant maybe it is finished?

I believe you have little inkling of what He meant. What was "it"?

Do you believe God fore-knew those that would be saved?

Foreknew??? Sure. But that isn't the discussion. It's assumed in "omniscience". He knows who will win the Super Bowl... it doesn't mean He rigged the game.

2,449 posted on 04/07/2004 1:15:23 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: RnMomof7
How can God demand that men pay for the sin His son already paid for

Why do you think this is what some of us believe?

SD

2,452 posted on 04/07/2004 1:16:28 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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