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ON SET OF THE PASSION, IT WAS MASS THE OLD WAY
Spirit Daily ^ | March 5, 2004 | Spirit Daily

Posted on 03/05/2004 6:35:43 AM PST by Maximilian

During the filming of the now-famous movie, The Passion of the Christ, Mass was held at 7:30 each morning in a converted office at Cinema City at the east side of Rome (when filming was there), and presiding for much of the time was Father Stephen F. Somerville of Queensville, Ontario, near Toronto, who has detailed the fashion in which Mel Gibson prepared spiritually for the shooting -- confirming Gibson's taste for the pre-Vatican II liturgy.

"I said Mass for seven weeks of the filming," Father Somerville told Spirit Daily. "It was the old Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass -- not the new Mass in Latin. It was the old Catholic Mass that was used until the 1960s."

Father Somerville -- who, though traditionalist, technically remains under the jurisdiction of the Toronto archbishop -- said that many of those working on the movie couldn't make Mass because they had to apply make-up. "So we just had a small group of people, five or six on the average, and Jim Caviezel often came, but he particularly had to go for a long siege with the make-up artists, so sometimes I would give him Communion with a Host reserved from Mass," says the priest. "We converted a small room into a chapel. We improvised a decent-looking altar, and Mel sent somebody out to buy everything we needed -- vestments, nice candles. There were a few chairs and a sofa and there it was. Mel knelt on his knees on the floor behind me and answered the prayers in perfect Latin."

At times Caviezel would attend Father Somerville's Mass in full costume before the day's shoot -- though not during the bloody scourging scenes.

About 25 square feet in size, the tiny chapel had a few chairs and a simple wooden table raised against one wall to act as an altar. Above the table, the wall was decorated with various religious ornaments, including a picture of the Virgin Mary. Father Somerville had previously noted that he always began and ended Mass with a hymn, something that Gibson, joining in with his monotone, seemed to enjoy.

Somerville said he was there for the trial scenes. He didn't note any miracles, but emotions flowed. "There were some moments of strong feeling on the set," he recalls. "I was there for the scourging."

Asked about the role of German mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich -- who some have tried to downplay as an influence -- Father Somerville said that Gibson "made practical use of Emmerich in the movie. A lot of the details that you see visually in the movie are in the Emmerich book."

Father Somerville says that Gibson is "more of an extremist traditionalist Catholic than I am. He's not as hard-line as his father, but nevertheless," adding: "Many films about Christ have been made. But this one was made by a master actor and director with profound Christian conviction."

Somerville said that he "has become a traditionalist priest" though he is now retired and doesn't have a church. He met Gibson's father Hutton while filling in for a traditionalist priest at St. Jude's Shrine in Stafford, Texas, near Houston, where Hutton was living. When asked if he was loyal to Rome, Father Somerville said he is "loyal to Rome but I'm loyal to the Rome of all time, not just the Rome of right now. John Paul is the Pope and I respect him, but I disagree with many things that he is teaching."

In October of 2002 a letter by Father Somerville renouncing liturgical reform was posted by the St. Pius X Society. The Society is associated with a schismatic bishop, Marcel Lefebvre, and suppressed by the Vatican. Lefebvre was excommunicated for illicitly consecrating priests, but since then there have been attempts at reconciliation.


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1 posted on 03/05/2004 6:35:43 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Diago; narses; Loyalist; BlackElk; american colleen; saradippity; Polycarp; Dajjal; ...
There has been a lot of speculation about Mel Gibson being "schismatic" and whatever. This article provides some hard facts, although it does not definitively answer the question.

Note that Fr. Stephen Somerville is officially a priest of the diocese of Toronto. However, as the article says, he has become a traditionalist, now offers only the Latin Mass, and has publicly renounced his service on the ICEL -- the commission that created the vernacular English Mass. That article has been posted here on FR before, here is an original link:

An Open Letter to the Church Renouncing my Service on I.C.E.L.

2 posted on 03/05/2004 6:39:21 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
About 25 square feet in size

that would be five feet by five feet. elevators are bigger, usually, i think they meant 25 feet square.

3 posted on 03/05/2004 6:39:28 AM PST by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: dep
that would be five feet by five feet. elevators are bigger, usually, i think they meant 25 feet square.

That sounds too big since the article calls it "a small room" and says that 5 or 6 people were crowded into the room. You're probably right that 25 sq ft may have been an underestimation, but 25' x 25' would be much bigger than what the article describes.

4 posted on 03/05/2004 6:42:32 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
still, it was big enough for a couch and several chairs, and an altar.
5 posted on 03/05/2004 6:45:01 AM PST by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: xzins
Somerville said that he "has become a traditionalist priest" though he is now retired and doesn't have a church. He met Gibson's father Hutton while filling in for a traditionalist priest at St. Jude's Shrine in Stafford, Texas, near Houston, where Hutton was living. When asked if he was loyal to Rome, Father Somerville said he is "loyal to Rome but I'm loyal to the Rome of all time, not just the Rome of right now. John Paul is the Pope and I respect him, but I disagree with many things that he is teaching."

6 posted on 03/05/2004 6:45:11 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Maximilian
Here are some quotes from the letter of the priest who said Mass for Mel Gibson, on the occasion when he renounced his ICEL service:

"I am a priest who for over ten years collaborated in a work that became a notable harm to the Catholic Faith. I wish now to apologize before God and the Church and to renounce decisively my personal sharing in that damaging project. I am speaking of the official work of translating the new post-Vatican II Latin liturgy into the English language, when I was a member of the Advisory Board of the International Commission on English Liturgy (I.C.E.L.)."

"I soon felt perplexity before the bold mistranslations confidently proposed and pressed by the everstrengthening radical/progressive element in our group. I felt but could not articulate the wrongness of so many of our committee’s renderings."

"I.C.E.L.’s changes amounted to true devastation especially in the oration prayers of the Mass."

"Such a litany of defects suggests that many modern Masses are sacrilegious, and some could well be invalid. They certainly are less Catholic, and less apt to sustain Catholic Faith."

"I now come to identify my other reason for renouncing my translating work on I.C.E.L. It is an even more serious and delicate matter. In the past year (from mid 2001), I have come to know with respect and admiration many traditional Catholics. These, being persons who have decided to return to pre-Vatican II Catholic Mass and Liturgy, and being distinct from “conservative” Catholics (those trying to retouch and improve the Novus Ordo Mass and Sacraments of post-Vatican II), these Traditionals, I say, have taught me a grave lesson. They brought to me a large number of published books and essays. These demonstrated cumulatively, in both scholarly and popular fashion, that the Second Vatican Council was early commandeered and manipulated and infected by modernist, liberalist, and protestantizing persons and ideas. These writings show further that the new liturgy produced by the Vatican “Concilium” group, under the late Archbishop A. Bugnini, was similarly infected. Especially the New Mass is problematic. It waters down the doctrine that the Eucharist is a true Sacrifice, not just a memorial. It weakens the truth of the Real Presence of Christ’s victim Body and Blood by demoting the Tabernacle to a corner, by reduced signs of reverence around the Consecration, by giving Communion in the hand, often of women, by cheapering the sacred vessels, by having used six Protestant experts (who disbelieve the Real Presence) in the preparation of the new rite, by encouraging the use of sacro-pop music with guitars, instead of Gregorian chant, and by still further novelties."
7 posted on 03/05/2004 6:47:32 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Well this just about says it all..

"14 – Among traditional Catholics, the late Archbishop Lefebvre stands out because he founded the Society of St Pius X (SSPX), a strong society of priests (including six seminaries to date) for the celebration of the traditional Catholic liturgy. Many Catholics who are aware of this may share the opinion that he was excommunicated and that his followers are in schism. There are however solid authorities (including Cardinal Ratzinger, the top theologian in the Vatican) who hold that this is not so. SSPX declares itself fully Roman Catholic, recognizing Pope John Paul II while respectfully maintaining certain serious reservations."

Do you have a reference for the Cardinal Ratzinger statement?
Do you think that SSPX will get some footing since the movie?
8 posted on 03/05/2004 6:49:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bless the FReepers who helped convince Dad to homeschool!)
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To: Maximilian; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; CAtholic Family Association; ...
At times Caviezel would attend Father Somerville's Mass in full costume before the day's shoot -- though not during the bloody scourging scenes.

What an impression that must have made on Fr. Somerville!

9 posted on 03/05/2004 6:53:43 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: netmilsmom
Do you have a reference for the Cardinal Ratzinger statement?

I'm not certain which particular statement Fr. Somerville is referring to in that statement.

Do you think that SSPX will get some footing since the movie?

I think that people are being made aware that there is an alternative. It's not just the SSPX, but the Latin Mass and traditional Catholicism. As Fr. Somerville points out, the SSPX stand out because they are the largest and the most well know of the traditional groups. But there are many groups of traditional Catholics who continue to offer the traditional Catholic Mass and to practice the traditional Catholic faith.

Most people have no clue that this even exists. But when they learn that they have a chance to flee from their kumbaya parishes and once again participate in the traditional Catholic faith and liturgy, many will want to take advantage of the opportunity.

10 posted on 03/05/2004 6:58:01 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
"It was the old Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass -- not the new Mass in Latin. It was the old Catholic Mass that was used until the 1960s."

Does anyone know when the "new" Mass really came into full change? I was born in '60, yet I remember vividly what I think of as the old Latin Mass. I remember Mass in Latin until maybe the late '60's, at least in the part of Florida where I grew up (central). Even as a young child I felt like I understood what was going on. The old Mass seemed so HOLY, at least to me. IIRC, the priest did not face the congregation, and communion was done kneeling at a rail at the edge of the altar.

I don't know if Gibson is schismatic, and to be honest, it doesn't matter to me. I think of it as him being someone who never outgrew his love for the holiness he experienced in Mass when said that way. I think the traditional Mass is lovely. Of course, I have to admit I love the "new" Mass, too. In the former I felt His Holiness. In the latter I feel like I am able to approach Him.

11 posted on 03/05/2004 7:01:09 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Maximilian
Recently, a guest host on Catholic Answers said that he had it from a friend who spoke directly with Mel Gibson that he is a sedevacantist.
12 posted on 03/05/2004 7:03:43 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Maximilian
>>(including Cardinal Ratzinger, the top theologian in the Vatican) who hold that this is not so<< (from the article)

"Most people have no clue that this even exists."

Count me in on that one!!!
I hope to attend a Latin Mass this weekend. If you had asked me anything about it three weeks ago, I would have said, "Huh?"
I have two months of assisting at CCD then I am making a decision about getting my children's religious education somewhere else.

13 posted on 03/05/2004 7:05:44 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bless the FReepers who helped convince Dad to homeschool!)
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To: Maximilian
The last sentence is in error in that Lefebvre was exciommunicated for disobediently and illicitly consecrating bishops not for ordaining priests. The article is otherwise certainly useful in clearing confusion.
14 posted on 03/05/2004 7:25:41 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: netmilsmom
I hope to attend a Latin Mass this weekend. If you had asked me anything about it three weeks ago, I would have said, "Huh?"

You can find the closest Latin Mass to you here

15 posted on 03/05/2004 7:36:00 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: B Knotts; ninenot; GirlShortstop
Be careful as to Catholic Answers. Karl Keating has treated Gerry Matatics in an entirely unjust fashion after inducing him to move to California to work for Catholic Answers. My wife and I are acquainted with Gerry Matatics and we have very high regard for him.

I do not know Keating personally but some friends do and think highly of Keating. The weakest part of Keating and his associates is on this personal evaluation of others stuff. Doctrinally, Keating seems fine but, absent something specific from Mel Gibson himself one way or the other, we ought to reserve judgment. What someone heard someone on the radio say as to what a friend of that someone heard from Gibson does not suffice.

Right now, Gibson is too hot and has too many controversies concocted by others swirling around him for the world (i.e. us) to dispassionately discern the specifics of his faith.

If Mel says he is SSPX or that he is sedevacantist or that he is a traditional Catholic in communion with the Holy See, I am willing to take his word and his alone for what he actually believes. If he chooses to keep that information to himself, that is OK too. There are too many people grinding too many axes (not you) trying to lay claim to him or to cause others to reject him for whatever reasons.

16 posted on 03/05/2004 7:41:39 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
I understand that; I'm just saying that this guest said that his friend had it directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

I am not attacking him for his position; just reporting what I heard.

Frankly, I think that SSPX is less schismatic than many who are supposedly within the formal Church (see: National anti-Catholic Reporter).

17 posted on 03/05/2004 7:45:45 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BlackElk
Let me clarify: I know that SSPX is not sedevacantist. If Mr. Gibson is a sedevacantist, he would definitely not be SSPX.
18 posted on 03/05/2004 7:47:47 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: BlackElk
So you're "Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club?" I noticed others who had similar taglines. How do I sign up? ;-)
19 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:16 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Does anyone know when the "new" Mass really came into full change?

The new post-Vatican II liturgy that looked a lot like the New Mass was introduced in late 1964. Then in 1967, the "vernacular canons" were introduced, i.e. "Eucharistic Prayers I, II, III and IV," which eliminated the last vestiges of the traditional Catholic Mass.

However, these changes were not yet mandatory, even though they were introduced nearly universally. But there were still some dioceses and parishes that resisted the modern innovations. Then in 1969 the "New Order" was made mandatory for all Catholic Masses. At that time only 1 bishop in the whole world that I am aware of continued to follow the traditional practice, Archbishop Castro de Mayer in Campos, Brazil. Archbishop Lefbvre was retired at the time, but he came out of retirement when a group of seminarians approached him and requested that he open a seminary for traditional Catholics. This was the start of the SSPX, which today is still a society of priests. Lay people attend Mass at an SSPX chapel, but they don't belong to the SSPX.

20 posted on 03/05/2004 7:48:29 AM PST by Maximilian
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