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I suppose you believe Karol Wojtyla himself supports the "Lavender Mafia," right? I'm sorry I can't convince you that there are in fact people in the Church fighting this corruption, and have been for a long time now, and that much of what they do is, and must remain, secret. But, as I said before, I don't have proof, I just know certain people. Even if I did have proof of the undercover activities of some individuals I would not post them as evidence in so public a place. I wish I could convince you that trying to court away the conservative laity from communion with Rome does no good and only helps our enemies, but I can't.

The Pontiff has never fired a single bad bishop--yet there is ample evidence these men are networked. The Pope has not even shown an interest in questioning how such corrupt and apostate bishops were chosen in the first place. He does not even seem much concerned about their lack of faith. Recently he awarded the red hat, for instance, to a man of very questionable orthodoxy. Neither has he reformed the seminaries, some of which are still overwhelmingly lavender. He has shown not the slightest concern about remedying the almost universal crisis in catechesis. He does nothing, for instance, to shore up the precipitous decline of Catholic belief in major dogmas--polls have shown as many as 75% of all Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence and the Resurrection. Yet the source for this decline--the Novus Ordo Mass--remains unreformed after thirty years of failure. This pontificate has focused on one thing only: ecumenical dialogue with other religions. Nothing other than this seems to have occupied his attention the past twenty-five years. Yet the scandals have been washing over the Church all around the globe for more than two decades.

I suppose you believe Karol Wojtyla himself supports the "Lavender Mafia," right? I'm sorry I can't convince you that there are in fact people in the Church fighting this corruption, and have been for a long time now, and that much of what they do is, and must remain, secret.

You're entirely too cryptic to be believable. I want to believe the Pope's got some undercover spies weeding out the evil, but I don't. I admire, respect, and love JPII. I believe he (along with Ronald Reagan) is responsible for the fall of the evil Soviet empire, but I think he has done a less than stellar job as an administrator.

It seems to me the Vatican acts with astonishing speed when it comes to disciplining the FSSP, but all sorts of atrocities are committed "in the Spirit of Vatican II" and the Vatican remains silent.

Jesus didn't say "let's convene a meeting to discuss this whole temptation thing." He said "get thee behind me Satan!" And in that vein, the pope doesn't need double top secret undercover spies to disband the USCCB, censure the Jesuits, tell that idiot bishop out in California that the Gospels are a true account, and excommunicate Mahoney for diminshing the Real Presence.

It saddens me to say so, but I don't think it can be denied that Satan's AmChurch grew and flourished under JPII's reign.

It's difficult trying to convince a lot of people on this board that there is a clandestine war going on inside the church. I believe you, if no one else does - and I don't know much of anybody.

I know that you are right,it is just so sad that we,who love the Church,keep fighting with each other.Very intelligent folks on this forum just can't seem to separate things that do change from things that don't. Only God and human nature remain the same.

The Church led by the Pope has to navigate through these ever changing world,technological,governmental,and political situations and circumstances to bring us home to the Father and all some can do is criticize every move he makes.

They don't even recognize the great treasure he has given us,the Catholic Catechism,to ensure that the enemy would NOT be able to say everything had changed. In the absence of that document it would be quite simple to take a whole lot of official and semi official documents,and claim that modernism,progressivism new agism? was now "official".His critics don't seem to notice that if one takes the Catechism to a Renew,RCIA or whatever class they "new catholics" are presenting and knows how to use it,they can effectively block the infiltrators from spreading their lies.

My heart breaks for our Pope.