Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ” ~ An International Hoax

Watch unto Prayer ^ | February 18, 2004 | Barbara Aho

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Post one of the nude picture's that is all over the net of her here and see how long it lasts.

BigMack

[Texas2step]

Post one of the nude picture's that is all over the net of her here and see how long it lasts.

Am I talking to two different people here? Just curious.

I noticed that you have not answered my questions, though I have answered all of yours. Is this a bating tactic?

As for posting one of her pictures, there are certain rules and decorum that are required. The rules of FR are no "nudity". I respect that. I wish there was less offensive language and profanity. Not too mention the innuendo that goes on.

Now, back to the topic. What do you consider porn? What is your definition of a porn star? Would it be okay for someone in the main stream press to call Meryl Streep a porn star? Would it be accurate?

Do you agree with this author of this delusional article? Can you post the things you agree with, and let's discuss that?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yes it's porn, IMO. Yes it's a portraly of real life, but it is also shown to get a reaction. That is the problem. No matter how soft it is, nudity is shown to get a reaction.

In the "old day's" there was no nudity. They still got their points across tho.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yes you are talking to two people. Check out our homepage:)

Becky

[TradicalRC]

In addition to NewAdvent, there is another site you should check out:

http://www.catholicculture.org/index.cfm

I have found these to be most helpful.

[editor-surveyor]

"Do you agree with this author of this delusional article?"

The only thing about the article that I find 'delusional' is the idea that Mel Gibson gathered together his 'co-conspirators' and proceeded to make a movie to offend the Gospel. If you fail to find the facts that are presented in the article troubling, then you are likely "an outsider looking in" on this forum.

Pornography? According to God's word, showing your nakedness to any but your spouse is Pornea.

[Texas2step]

Yes it's porn, IMO.

And I respect your opinion of what you consider to be porn.

Now, back to the article. In your opinion, is the author correct to characterize Monica Bellucci as a "porn star"?

If so, should we characterize all actors and actresses who have filmed nude or partially nude scenes as porn stars?

Do you believe she could have gotten away with making this statement had the actress in question been Meryl Streep or Nicole Kidman?

If not, don't you think that this characterization of Monica Bellucci is disingenious, or twisted, to make something fit her agenda because Monica plays the part of Mary Magdelene?

[Texas2step]

If you fail to find the facts that are presented in the article troubling, then you are likely "an outsider looking in" on this forum.

I do find the so-called "facts" troubling as presented in this article. I am not sure what you mean by "outsider", so possibly you may be correct there, but I sure cannot confirm it for you.

If you want to debate the "facts" I find troubling, they are listed in comments #49 and #52. Let's discuss that, rather than what you believe I believe.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Now, back to the article. In your opinion, is the author correct to characterize Monica Bellucci as a "porn star"?

Yes.

If so, should we characterize all actors and actresses who have filmed nude or partially nude scenes as porn stars?

Yes

Do you believe she could have gotten away with making this statement had the actress in question been Meryl Streep or Nicole Kidman?

Could she....she should. Free speech and all:) Would she, I don't know.

If not, don't you think that this characterization of Monica Bellucci is disingenious, or twisted, to make something fit her agenda because Monica plays the part of Mary Magdelene?

If the author is true to her beliefs, she should say it. In reality I don't know if she would or not. That isn't the point here tho. We can only say what each of us believes. IMO, They are all guilty of pornography.

Becky

[SoothingDave]

The only thing about the article that I find 'delusional' is the idea that Mel Gibson gathered together his 'co-conspirators' and proceeded to make a movie to offend the Gospel.

So you agree that the "Principal Figure" in a movie about Christ is somone other than Christ?

You agree that it is some great deception to describe the movie as depicting the "last twelve hours of Christ's earthly life"?

You agree that traditional Catholics tend to espouse Gnostic notions about the importance of Mary Magdalene in the life of Christ?

Are you sure only 1 thing is "delusional" in this article?

SD

[editor-surveyor]

"If not, don't you think that this characterization of Monica Bellucci is disingenious, or twisted, to make something fit her agenda..."

Having read much of what The Ahos and their associates have written in recent years, I feel confidant to say that her 'agenda' is to prove that the Freemason / Knights Templar conspiracy is in substantial control of most significant events. I find it difficult to believe, although I personally know that in their wildest dreams, said 'illuminated' masons (not rank and file members) would love to have such power.

"...rather than what you believe I believe."

I have to confess that I don't know what you believe, and I was not attempting to ascribe any set of views to you.

[Texas2step]

IMO, They are all guilty of pornography

Again, I'll respect your opinion, and you've definitely been consistent with your beliefs.

A tougher question, maybe: When you heard the term "porn star" did you make any assumptions about the person being described? Did you think of her as an actress who made "adult" films (what a stupid term, BTW), or as someone who made "mainstream" films that involved nudity?

My first assumption, on hearing her classified by the author as a "porn star", was that she did "star" in, or had "starred" in, what the mainstream public thinks of as "adult" films (XXX rated, whatever).

I would also believe that most people who read this article would make that assumption, as not everyone has the same definition of "porn star" as you do, evidently.

Yet, that would be, and is, a false assumption. In that way, I believe the author is being totally disingenious with her classifying Monica as a "porn star".

When you hear someone call someone else a porn star, do you think of people like Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman, or would you be more likely to think of someone like Marilyn Chambers or Mary Carrey who ran for Gov. of California last year?

Have you ever thought of Arnold Schwarzenegger as a porn star? (Oh, my goodness, I cannot believe I wrote that!) But, he has been filmed in the nude in his movies. So, by that definition, did we have 2 porn stars who ran for the Governor of California last year?

[editor-surveyor]

I believe that all of your questions were covered in a general way in my statement that you quoted, OK? I don't believe that Gibson set out to offend God's word. The movie depicts the twelve hours leading up to the crucifixion, and the "last twelve hours of Christ's earthly life" clause was simply a poor choice of words, rather than an attempt to overthrow the doctrine of his bodily reserrection.

[Texas2step]

"last twelve hours of Christ's earthly life" clause was simply a poor choice of words, rather than an attempt to overthrow the doctrine of his bodily reserrection.

I was trying for a way to think to say that earlier, and just couldn't quite do it as well as you did. Yes, a poor choice of words. Thanks for posting this comment.

[Texas2step]

I've gotta run. But I wanted to clarify something before I do.

I'm not trying to bait or pick a fight. I really didn't even intend on getting into a pornography discussion (who would have believed we'd be having a pornography discussion on a Passion thread, anyway?!?!)

While I disagree, slighty, with your definition of pornography, I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment.

I was mainly pointing out that had the actress been Nicole Kidman, for example, the author would not have dared called her a porn star, even though she made something close to that in "Eyes Wide Shut". She's also said to be a Christian, but who knows.

Later, Becky and Big Mack.

[al_c]

Great site! Thanks.

[al_c]

I agree with that, Becky.

[al_c]

Now, back to the article. In your opinion, is the author correct to characterize Monica Bellucci as a "porn star"?

As most of the world would definite it ...no.

If so, should we characterize all actors and actresses who have filmed nude or partially nude scenes as porn stars?

Sure! Then maybe they'd stop making nudity a standard part of everything coming out of Hollyweird. ;o)

[al_c]

"adult" films (what a stupid term, BTW),

LOL. Kind of like "gentlemen's club" eh?

[Texas2step]

LOL. Kind of like "gentlemen's club" eh?

LOL. That's even worse! I don't believe a whole lot of "gentlemen" frequent those clubs. But, then again, I'm guessing.