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New Information about Priest's Death (Fr. Minkler)
WXXA-TV Albany ^ | 2/18/2004 | Staff

Posted on 02/18/2004 7:22:57 AM PST by B Knotts

The Albany County Coroner tells Fox 23 News autopsy results on Father John Minkler's body were inconclusive, and they are waiting for more tests to determine exactly how he died. But today we spoke with several people who say they spoke with Father Minkler just days before his death.

Stephen Brady is the director of Roman Catholic Faithful, an Illinois-based group which investigates clergy corruption allegations. Brady faxed us documents which he says are just some of his correspondence with Father John Minkler.

The signature on the cover letter appears similar to the one on the affidavit Minkler gave the Diocese on Friday. In the affadavit, Father Minkler said he never wrote a 7-page letter to Cardinal O'Connor citing improprieties by Bishop Howard Hubbard.

Brady claims Minkler sent him the letter in 2001 and made it clear he wanted to remain anonymous. "He made it clear he wanted to be very careful. He in no way wanted Bishop Hubbard to ever find out who was behind this, who was going to O'Connor behind his back, and who was looking into information in the Diocese regarding misconduct, especially homosexual activity," said Brady. The editor of "The Wanderer," a national Catholic weekly published in Minnesota, tells Fox 23 News Father Minkler has been informing him about problems within the Albany Diocese for 13 years. Paul Likouidis says he spoke with Father Minkler on Friday, just two days before Minkler was found dead in his Watervliet home.

He alleges Minkler told him he was called into the Diocese office and asked to sign this affidavit. "He went into an office and his longtime friend Father Ken Doyle had a document for him to sign and all Doyle said was sign this," said Likoudis. "What he said to me was 'Hubbard forced me to lie,' and he felt very bad about that."

Likoudis says he advised Father Minkler to call Father Joseph Wilson of St. Luke's Church in Queens for advice. Father Wilson says he too spoke to Minkler on Friday, and he was distraught. "I don't remember his exact phrase, but the connotation was he was trying to put out the fires caused by his mention. He did concede to me that he had written on the bishop and he had handed that report into Cardinal O'Connor," said Father Wilson.

The Diocese issued a statement late today saying, "Father John Minkler denied four times to officials of the Albany Diocese that he had written a letter critical of Bishop Howard Hubbard." The statement goes on to say, "at no time did anyone associated with the Albany Diocese seek to pressure Father Minkler to meet with diocesan officials or to deny the letter or to sign a statement denying the letter. At no time was Father Minkler summoned to the Diocesan Pastoral Center. He came willingly..."


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KEYWORDS: albany; death; hubbard; minkler
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1 posted on 02/18/2004 7:22:58 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: NYer
More details PING
2 posted on 02/18/2004 7:24:50 AM PST by B Knotts (Deport Arnold!)
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To: B Knotts
I think this story makes the bishop look like a liar. That whole business about Minkler denying four times that he wrote the letter really makes Hubbard sound like a child. And it brings up visions of Peter denying our Lord.

I'll be looking for some really weird happenings over the next few days. I think Hubbard is starting to get desperate. I confess I am taking entirely too much pleasure in watching Hubbard squirm.

3 posted on 02/18/2004 7:46:55 AM PST by old and tired (Go Toomey! Send Specter back to the Highlands!)
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To: B Knotts
I'm very familiar with the Wanderer. My mother subscribed to the paper for many years. If Fr. Minkler was in contact with those folks for 13 years, then there is definitely something rotten in Albany. My mind just can't comprehend a priest such as Fr. Minkler committing suicide.
4 posted on 02/18/2004 8:06:15 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; B Knotts; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; ...
I'm very familiar with the Wanderer. My mother subscribed to the paper for many years.

Perhaps it's time to take out your own subscription ;-D

You can ask for a FREE sample copy by following this link.

THE WANDERER

5 posted on 02/18/2004 8:21:09 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: B Knotts
BTTT!
6 posted on 02/18/2004 8:37:23 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: B Knotts; NYer
Could Fr. Minkler have been blackmailed into signing the affidavit? I don't want to sound cruel, nor to smear the reputation of a dead priest who seems to have been a good man, but I can't help wondering how Doyle extorted that signature on the affidavit from Fr. Minkler.
7 posted on 02/18/2004 8:38:35 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: NYer; All
Some more interesting stuff at Mark Shea's blog - (http://markshea.blogspot.com/)

An excerpt:

Fr Minkler did, though, tell our mutual friend who had first put us together that he had seen the Bishop. Here, though, his account differs from what Bp Hubbard said at the press conference. Hubbard said that Fr Minkler had turned up, unannounced and upset, at the chancery office. My friend was told by Fr Minkler that he had received a peremptory summons to the chancery via phone msg, which was waiting when he returned from retreat.

I think he was deeply unhappy and regretful about having signed the false affadavit. He told our mutual friend, "They forced me to lie." He never mentioned it to me, or to the other priest he spoke with. I think it was a very heavy burden to him.


8 posted on 02/18/2004 9:25:02 AM PST by B Knotts (Deport Arnold!)
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To: Romulus; BlackElk; Maximilian
Could Fr. Minkler have been blackmailed into signing the affidavit?

Of course anything's possible. But I think a far more likely explanation would be the vow of obedience Fr. Minkler took at ordination. I'm no expert on canon law and I don't know if a priest can be ordered to lie.

Maximilian and Black Elk are much more knowledgable about these things.

9 posted on 02/18/2004 9:57:18 AM PST by old and tired (Go Toomey! Send Specter back to the Highlands!)
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To: Romulus; NYer; american colleen; AAABEST; livius
blackmailed into signing the affidavit 7 posted on 02/18/2004 8:38:35 AM PST by Romulus

One could certainly wonder whether certain allegations which have come out in various cases may in fact be false and, hence, some type of blackmail or pressure. That's possible. Sort of..."if you keep talking about this stuff, you might end up accused as well..."

It's really hard to evaluate a situation like this based on the sketchy details in the media.

10 posted on 02/18/2004 10:32:24 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: B Knotts
Hubbard needed Minkler to sign the affidavit saying he didn't write the letter to O'Connor in order to call into question its validity--and the credibility of the lawyer who's been dogging him.

All Hubbard's got going for him right now is that the public and the press seem to be behind him. A letter like the one that Minkler allegedly sent to O'Connor could turn things around if it turns out that Minkler really sent it.

And given the fact that Stephen Brady has a copy of the letter that he said he got from Minkler himself, I think Old Mother Hubbard is in a really, really bad position.

He needs to step down immediately.
11 posted on 02/18/2004 10:47:00 AM PST by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment NOW!)
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To: B Knotts
Hubbard said that Fr Minkler had turned up, unannounced and upset, at the chancery office.

Could be more weasel words. The priest may have gone as soon as he found out on his answering machine or whatever that he had been asked to come in.

12 posted on 02/18/2004 10:51:59 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Antoninus
turn things around if it turns out that Minkler really sent it.

And if it is true.

13 posted on 02/18/2004 10:53:48 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
Hubbard said that Fr Minkler had turned up, unannounced and upset, at the chancery office.

Hubbard needs to practice his responses so that they are always consistent.

14 posted on 02/18/2004 10:57:55 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: Antoninus
"And given the fact that Stephen Brady has a copy of the letter that he said he got from Minkler himself..."


Stephen Brady better watch his back.

If I were him, I'd have multiple copies of that letter in safekeeping with my most trusted friends.

Does anyone know if the Albany police are investigating this whole mess?
And isn't it odd that the diocese is the only party calling this a "suicide"?
The police refuse to say one way or the other.
15 posted on 02/18/2004 11:15:50 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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To: NYer
Hubbard needs to practice his responses so that they are always consistent.

His supporters won't notice, and if they do, they'll ignore it.

16 posted on 02/18/2004 11:21:00 AM PST by Aliska
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer
Even good men can have bad things in their past. This is why I've always had misgivings about the USCCB's hysterical and appeasing "one strike and you're out" solution.

Let's talk about timing for a minute. Next week a sensational report about "child abuse" is going to be delivered to the USCCB by its ad hoc lay committee. Has the diocese of Albany submitted its contribution yet? Was Hubbard threatening to finger Fr. Minkler (truthfully or otherwise) as someone with something in his past? Would Hubbard have been able to use such accusations to suspend Fr. Minkler's priestly faculties? I know I've just tossed out a series of highly unlikely hypotheses (and I'm speaking carefully because I don't want to impugn a voiceless priest who's surely led a holy life for many years), but I'm pondering the depths of Fr. Minkler's distress, and what threats might have overpowered him in extorting his signature on the affidavit.
17 posted on 02/18/2004 11:49:28 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: Romulus; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer
Was Hubbard threatening to finger Fr. Minkler (truthfully or otherwise) as someone with something in his past?

Very unlikely I'd say. As dumb as Hubbard is, I don't think he is stupid enough to get into a Mexican Standoff situation with any of his subordinates, because he has a lot more to lose.

Let's suppose for a moment Minkler has a few counts of misdeeds but Hubbard has a lot more. Then it makes sense that this gigantic Cruiser (pun intented) stays far away from the firing range of the Small Submarine's torpedos.

It is commonly known that these homomaniancs use mutually assured destruction as insurance, their version of "honor among crooks". It is also known that Hubbard's homo gang enjoy favors and privileges and don't get internal exiled like Fr. Minkler did. The fact that Minkler has been in exile for so long due to his orthodoxy would point to an undefiled service of a faithful priest.

18 posted on 02/18/2004 12:24:44 PM PST by m4629
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The fact that Minkler has been in exile for so long due to his orthodoxy would point to an undefiled service of a faithful priest.

We can't really know for sure.

From Albany Times Union, February 17

"Minkler was a priest for 32 years. He served as an associate pastor at St. Joseph's Parish in Rensselaer, St. Francis de Sales Parish in Troy and St. Teresa's Parish in Albany.

"He later was secretary to Archbishop Joseph Ryan of the Military Vicariate before being appointed chaplain at the Stratton VA hospital in 1984."

Until the 80's, it appears he had three regular parish assignments as associate pastor.

19 posted on 02/18/2004 12:44:16 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska; Romulus; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer
We can't really know for sure.

Sure we can, and Hubbard does. He has Fr. Minkler's personnel file and access to previous files also. Hubbard knows. That's why I am standing by my premise.

20 posted on 02/18/2004 12:55:56 PM PST by m4629
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