The anti-Catholicism of the "National Catholic Reporter"

[heyheyhey]

In my opinion, the NCR (different from the National Catholic Register and from the Catholic World Report) appears to be classic type of a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is the most anti-Catholic weekly publication that I know, and yet it continues pretending to be "Catholic." The evidence of NCR's anti-Catholic and anti-Christian agenda is somewhat camouflaged, so let it be dug up and brought to daylight in this thread.

- Why, and who cares? Under normal circumstances I couldn't care less, but very many American priests and religious read the NCR, and it has poisonously influenced a generation or two of priests. When we see the sorry state of affairs in our Church we should know, for our own protection, where the devil dwells. Many screwy things (most of all the disdain for the Teaching Magisterium) originated and/or have been, or continue to be, sponsored by the NCR.

There is only one FReeper, as far as I know, vigorously defending the NCR, so he is rare and dear - let's be respectful to him.

[heyheyhey]

Not an obsession and not a vendetta :)

I'm not trashing you for reading the NCR - rather I'm trashing the NCR for brainwashing people. If they had a little bit of integrity at least they wouldn't call themselves "Catholic," but NCR works like rat poison; it pretends to be something else than it really is.

Notice in #37 how they tap-dance about abortion, the one issue that clearly delineates a human from a scum. If they were more visibly "pro-choice" then the rat poison would lose its allure.

[sinkspur]

I'm not trashing you for reading the NCR - rather I'm trashing the NCR for brainwashing people.

NCR has a circulation of 50,000 in a nation of 62 million Catholics.

You're a bit overwrought as to the influence of the NCR.

[heyheyhey]

Overwrought as to the influence of the NCR?

"Many bishops and Cardinals in Rome will talk to John Allen of the NCR when they won't talk to Paul Likoudis of The Wanderer" sez one FReeper ;)

Many American priests read this and it forms them, then... in turn, they form the church, then... in turn, the NCR reports on the crap, then...
See? It's a vicious cycle.

[sinkspur]

Many American priests read this and it forms them

Maybe if Likoudis were a better reporter, more bishops would talk to him, and more priests would read The Wanderer.

Why don't you post some articles from The Wanderer instead of trashing the NCR? Maybe you would convince some people.

As it is, you're just griping.

[heyheyhey]

Why don't you post some articles from The Wanderer instead of trashing the NCR? Maybe you would convince some people.

Why don't you post an anti-Wanderer thread?

I like the Wanderer for their genuine attempt at Catholic orthodoxy - they quote the Holy Father’s catechesis every week, and they’d never come up with an NCR-style crap like "educated Catholic women hate the Polish pope."

They are informative but not perfect, sometimes they bark at the wrong tree.

[heyheyhey]

NCR has a circulation of 50,000 in a nation of 62 million Catholics.
You're a bit overwrought as to the influence of the NCR.

Another problem is that the secular media out of all Catholic publications always quote the NCR as a "Catholic" source, in addition to an interview with Fr. Richard McBrien :)

[Salvation]

It's too bad this stuff is still being published.

[Salvation]

The people in the sixties never really had any catechesis. With the Vietnam War, the anti war protests, everyone was too busy doing something else (including the new drug culture at that time).

I don't even remember what texts were used for Catholic education during those times, but I am sure they reflected the era well.

[Salvation]

**, but there are still many church people under their influence.**

And we have all been warned about false teachers and false prophets.

[Salvation]

**"Maybe some of the voices in these stories, voices that don’t often get a hearing, convey wisdom that might allow us to get beyond the stalemate of old enmities."**

Please provide a barf alert warning next time. LOL!

[Salvation]

Father Richard McBrien-dissenting author

[heyheyhey]

November 7, 1997 - Council affirmed worth of all religions by GARY MacEOIN,

The Vatican Council was emphatic that there is a hierarchy of truths. How high on the list should the definition of papal primacy be? The church got along without it for nearly two thousand years. It hardly seems necessary to set it up as the shibboleth on which to determine membership of the only, holy, Catholic and apostolic church of Christ.

The future relations with other religions -- both Christian and non-Christian -- envisaged here call for a significant change of mentality and of self-understanding for all of us, and in particular for the papacy. We have to understand that law is not the only or indeed the primary element in life. The particular legal institutions of the church, as of every society, are to a large extent the result of historical situations and events. The history of the radical changes that have occurred over the centuries in what Catholics believed about salvation outside the church, as briefly described above, has a message for us today. Does it not call us to look for new ways of relating in solidarity with all those inspired by the Creator to worship in ways different from ours?

- First, the argument against Papal Primacy goes "The church got along without it for nearly two thousand years,"
- and second, "The future relations with other religions call for a significant change of mentality... in particular for the papacy."

No past and no future for Papal Primacy from the NCR, go figure :)

[heyheyhey]

I wonder if you’d be willing to defend the NCR in regard to any of the "nugget" quotes in here? I promise to be gentle ;)

[saradippity]

The National unCatholic Reporter has regularly patted itself on the back over the past two years for being the first Catholic paper to report the increase of homosexuals in the priesthood. They never mention that it was only an aside used to support their various objectives one of them being women priests.

[johnb2004]

I think that those who were in their 20's and 30's in the mid 1960's are the ones who are the leaders of dissent today. They would have had catechesis. It is after the the late 1960's that catechesis stopped. I could be wrong, but that is my experience.

I do not doubt that the culture back then contributed to their belief in false doctrines.

[sinkspur]

No. I'm not going to defend everything in the NCR; I don't agree with everything posted in the NCR.

I don't agree with everything posted here either.

[johnb2004]

You left out that many bishops and Cardinals in Rome will talk to John Allen of the NCR when they won't talk to Paul Likoudis of The Wanderer. Very true. It has always bothered me that Church leaders would give credibility to such a publication that is so anti Catholic. It is a shame.

[jobim]

An analogy isn't lame because it fails to be comprehended.

[sinkspur]

An analogy isn't lame because it fails to be comprehended.

It was comprehended. It was lame.

[jobim]

There is no evidence of your comprehension. No matter. This is fruitless dialogue.