Posted on 01/27/2004 3:18:34 PM PST by LS
I see. So because you claim "your church" has failed to meet a standard, than others should not meet the standard? That's pretty slick 'talkin, and one of the reasons I have a "NO SALESMAN" sign on the door at home ;)
Fury - As far as "typical followers of manmade traditions", what's that have to do with what was posted?
II - has everything to do with it. Again, your church has "held for doctrine the commandments of men" for many years. That's basically what's being argued.
We can disagree on what "your church" has held. I'm sure this won't be the last time.
LOL. Away for a few days and it's amazing what crawls out of the woodwork eh.. Fury thinks he's found some red meat to slander me with again. I'm dyin. God is good isn't he.
;) Red meat? Crawling out of the woodwork? LOL... No Havoc, I'm interested in souls and truth. I don't care to slander you, nor would I. As the saying goes, "your words are your own", which goes to responsibility for what one writes.
If you want to misrepresent/omit what is written in Scripture, folks can't stop you, but folks can note that as such. As far as claiming slander, it's not about you - it's unfortunate that you don't seem to grasp that concept.
I see. So because you claim "your church" has failed to meet a standard, than others should not meet the standard? That's pretty slick 'talkin, and one of the reasons I have a "NO SALESMAN" sign on the door at home ;)
Not my point at all. The standard (your church) is corrupted. I'm part of the invisible church. I suspect some in your assembly are part of that as well. The standard would be Torah. (God's instruction) The Torah has been eliminated from your system. It's called "lawlessness".
Fury - As far as "typical followers of manmade traditions", what's that have to do with what was posted?
II - has everything to do with it. Again, your church has "held for doctrine the commandments of men" for many years. That's basically what's being argued.
We can disagree on what "your church" has held. I'm sure this won't be the last time.
My church is invisible. Members come from everywhere. Including from your church. May even include you. :-) However you should seriously consider coming out of that corrupted anti-christ religious system. The beast.
Why can't you just disagree with his interpretation of Scripture? Your organization has a sweeping history of misinterpretation. Why do you hold him to a corrupted standard? That's not a burden for souls.
I disagree with someone/ spreading error in regards to Scripture and claiming it's otherwise. He and I disagree on some it's the omission of information concerning becoming a Christian and not being able (for whatever reason) to acknowledge that.
My organization? Why is THAT an issue? What IS my organization?
Havoc, you're in fine form! ;)
It's not an interpretation issue. It's about writing error and being called on that. Context was provided for your statements. Your response to this initially was "It's not an inconsistancy, as stated.". Later, that turned to you claims of folks "slander[ing]", "attack[ing] me personally", etc., if memory serves. Claiming people are picking on you when you can't respond to the facts at hand is poor debating form.
I'm not desperate to shut you up. I am concerned about souls and truth. Whatever your reason for apparently taking it personally, that's for you to hash out - not me. And no research required. I study Scripture and when I see someone write error or omit, they will be called on that. I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable.
Lastly, you've been asked for your citations on this thread concerning the early fathers. The fact they were not provided speaks for itself. That's something that you've been called on in the past. If you want to tuck tail and skidaddle, that's your business. But at least folks will have it noted as such and note it's not the first time its' happened. ;)
And your organization is the authority on what is error and what isn't? Sorry it lost its credibility a long time ago.
My organization? Why is THAT an issue? What IS my organization?
Yes your organization. Remember? Mystery Babylon.
That's funny. Your organization never acknowledges blatant and consistent error. Again, holding others up to a different standard.
Context was provided for your statements. Your response to this initially was "It's not an inconsistancy, as stated.". Later, that turned to you claims of folks "slander[ing]", "attack[ing] me personally", etc., if memory serves. Claiming people are picking on you when you can't respond to the facts at hand is poor debating form.
Can you say "pot"? Can you say "kettle".
I'm not desperate to shut you up.
Yes you are.
I am concerned about souls and truth.
Your concerned about a religious institution.
Whatever your reason for apparently taking it personally, that's for you to hash out - not me. And no research required. I study Scripture and when I see someone write error or omit, they will be called on that. I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable.
Why don't you ever study and recognize errors in your own religion? Seems hypocritical to me.
Lastly, you've been asked for your citations on this thread concerning the early fathers. The fact they were not provided speaks for itself. That's something that you've been called on in the past. If you want to tuck tail and skidaddle, that's your business. But at least folks will have it noted as such and note it's not the first time its' happened. ;)
You've been called on doctrine not backed up by scripture consistently. If you want to tuck and run fine. But at least folks will have it noted and heaven knows its not the first time its happened.
That's funny. Your organization never acknowledges blatant and consistent error. Again, holding others up to a different standard.
Context was provided for your statements. Your response to this initially was "It's not an inconsistancy, as stated.". Later, that turned to you claims of folks "slander[ing]", "attack[ing] me personally", etc., if memory serves. Claiming people are picking on you when you can't respond to the facts at hand is poor debating form.
Can you say "pot"? Can you say "kettle".
I'm not desperate to shut you up.
Yes you are.
I am concerned about souls and truth.
Your concerned about a religious institution.
Whatever your reason for apparently taking it personally, that's for you to hash out - not me. And no research required. I study Scripture and when I see someone write error or omit, they will be called on that. I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable.
Why don't you ever study and recognize errors in your own religion? Seems hypocritical to me.
Lastly, you've been asked for your citations on this thread concerning the early fathers. The fact they were not provided speaks for itself. That's something that you've been called on in the past. If you want to tuck tail and skidaddle, that's your business. But at least folks will have it noted as such and note it's not the first time its' happened. ;)
You've been called on doctrine not backed up by scripture consistently. If you want to tuck and run fine. But at least folks will have it noted and heaven knows its not the first time its happened.
What is my "organization"?
Can you say "pot"? Can you say "kettle".
Can't argue the point I see.
Your concerned about a religious institution.
What is a my "religious institution"?
I guess you're either unable, or unwilling to speak to someone writing whatever they fancy in regards to what it takes in becoming a Christian, when it doesn't square with Scrupture. Your response? Doesn't even address the issue.
Why don't you ever study and recognize errors in your own religion? Seems hypocritical to me.
What is my "religion"?
I guess I could go back into the TNS threads and find where I did discuss and point out that some of what folks were saying, both in regards to what Chritsians were saying, and others.
I can't compel you to argue the merits. That's unfortunate, because we could have a good debate. Whatever. It ends up spinning into the old "you guys", and "them", and "they always...", etc., etc. That's usually what happens when folks tuck tail and skidaddle...
Catholecism.
I guess I could go back into the TNS threads and find where I did discuss and point out that some of what folks were saying, both in regards to what Chritsians were saying, and others.
What did you say?
I can't compel you to argue the merits. That's unfortunate, because we could have a good debate. Whatever. It ends up spinning into the old "you guys", and "them", and "they always...", etc., etc. That's usually what happens when folks tuck tail and skidaddle...
Sure you can compel me to argue the merits. Just don't start whining when someone disagrees. Gets old.
Catholecism.
You think so?
Fury - I guess I could go back into the TNS threads and find where I did discuss and point out that some of what folks were saying, both in regards to what Chritsians were saying, and others.
What did you say?
;) My point is that I have spoken up when folks, no matter what their religious preference, stated something that was at odds with Scripture and tradition (and no, not the traditions of men).
Sure you can compel me to argue the merits. Just don't start whining when someone disagrees. Gets old.
I don't whine when someone disagrees with me or me with them. I just want, as I believe do many people, Scripture not being misrepresented.
Who you trying to kid? We all know that papal pronouncements and the magesterium has the final say.
Have a GOOD weekend, II! ;)
Get over it. Scripture is misrepresented all the time in your organization concerning transubstantiation, Perpetual Virginity of Mary, Mary's other children, etc etc on and on, on and on. What about souls that are deceived by this garbage? Lets just have conversation about interpretation if you'd like. We'd all like to see souls thirst after God. Get over the flaunting of your compassion. We all would like to think we have compassion. Get real.
That's right. Tuck your tail and run. :-)
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