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To: OLD REGGIE; Elsie
CCC 424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.

Sounds pretty clear to me.


You are selectively quoting (and thereby not proving your point).

CCC 552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; (Cf. Mk 3:16; 9:2; Lk 24:34; 1 Cor 15:5) Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone", (1 Pet 2:4) thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it. (Cf. Lk 22:32)

CCC 881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock...


There is, simply put, a mountain of logical, linguistic, and scriptural evidence that all point to Peter as the Rock upon which Jesus built his Church. If you'd like to find out more, I'd be happy to lead you through it.
706 posted on 01/24/2004 4:44:00 PM PST by polemikos (Ecce Agnus Dei)
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To: polemikos; drstevej; RnMomof7; CARepubGal; CCWoody; Frumanchu
There is, simply put, a mountain of logical, linguistic, and scriptural evidence that all point to Peter as the Rock upon which Jesus built his Church.

and just 4 short verses later we read:

Matthew 16: 22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!" 23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

That's right! Jesus calls "the Rock" of his church Satan....

Just one of those things that meake me go Hmmmm.

721 posted on 01/24/2004 7:28:13 PM PST by Gamecock (It is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church. M Luther)
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To: polemikos
So you're sure the Church is built on Peter?

NONE of the verses about rock in the OT made any sense to you at all, did they?


Well.... I laid them out there for all to read: not my problem now.

740 posted on 01/24/2004 9:54:32 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: polemikos
Even if you go back and read the BLUE text, the fact of Peter recognizing the REAL Rock is going to be lost on most people who are convinced it's the other way around.
741 posted on 01/24/2004 9:56:25 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: polemikos; Elsie
You are selectively quoting (and thereby not proving your point).

It is revealing how willing you are to ignore Scripture and base your facts on the Catechism.

However, please read your Catechism citations one more time and explain to me the difference between the use of the words "on" and "of". Please note especially the careful wording of #552. A cursory reading might lead you to believe the Church was built on Peter. Such is not the case.

822 posted on 01/25/2004 12:10:26 PM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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