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Are Calvinists Lazy?
Razormouth ^ | 27 December 2003 | Dale Meador

Posted on 01/01/2004 3:21:04 PM PST by Gamecock

Arminians must be nervous wrecks.

I was thinking about this while raking leaves on my front lawn. If I believed, as Arminians do, that sinners can choose to accept or resist the gospel, I’d be a nervous wreck. If I thought for a moment that the grace of God could be resisted and that even Christians - by sinning - can fall from the state of grace, I’d go nutzo. And I’d be a mess, believing that I could be doing lots more to persuade those sinners and redeem those fallen believers.

If it’s true, as Arminians argue, that salvation is a matter of human choice, I don’t know how I could live with myself. After all, here sinners are dying all around me, and what am I doing? I’m raking leaves. There are rest homes within a few blocks of my house, where sinners die each day. There are hundreds of people at the mall who need to be impressed with the message of the gospel. There are thousands of students over at the University who need to have their objections answered.

And what am I doing? I’m raking leaves, I’m eating lunch, I’m playing with my kids, I’m doing church work. All the while, sinners are dying and going to hell, in part because my yard took precedent over their souls, on the Arminian view. Tragically, the choices those souls made were not under the influence of my witness.

To make matters worst, I know I’ve been a bad influence on others, from time to time through my life. There was that kid in the 7th grade that I hated for pushing me off the bus. He knew I was a Christian, and I’ll bet he’s never forgotten my reaction to him and is even now using that as an excuse to keep God at arm’s length. How many people have I had that effect on? If I were an Arminian, and believed that sinner’s fates depended on the choices they make, conditioned by the testimony of people like myself, how could I live with myself?

This question comes up because of something a friend said over breakfast the other day. He told me that a relative, hearing that he was going to a church pastored by a Calvinist, said “Calvinists are lazy.” I thought later I should write a little response to that, but instead I napped.

Today, however, I am well-rested and want to answer this old objection to a high view of the sovereignty of God. The objection goes like this: since Calvinists believe that God predetermines everything that occurs according to His plan, Calvinists must therefore believe evangelism to be pointless. Since God has already elected the elect, Calvinism’s critics maintain, there is little motivation for Calvinists to get out there and win the lost. So, they’re lazy. That’s how the argument goes.

Of course, this objection has a twin, the “Why pray?” argument: if Calvinists believe that God has preordained everything that occurs, why should Calvinists pray? You know, how else will God stay up-to-date on stuff that might have escaped his attention?

This much-debated subject is covered elsewhere more thoroughly and eloquently. But I need to respond, since I don’t think Calvinists are lazy. To the contrary, I think Arminians must be exhausted or guilt-ridden (my upbringing proved this: whenever you want to guilt Arminians, just mention evangelism - “Sinners are dying and going to hell because you’re not witnessing!”). I think Arminians must be nervous, while Calvinists are rightly confident in God. You know, the God depicted in the Scriptures. The one who controls politics (Dan. 2:27; 4:17), nature (Mt. 5:45; Job 37:3-13; Lk. 8:22-25), weather (Ps. 42:7, 148:8) the past, present and future (Eph. 1:11). You know, that really powerful, biblical God.

He’s the God who controls what we call chance (Prov. 16:33), and He sends good and bad (Is. 45:7). We needn’t try to get him “off the hook” for tragedies by using the a-word (“God only allowed this or that to happen”), since he doesn’t allow things, he causes them. He “causes all things to work together for good” (Rom. 8:28). History’s greatest tragedy - worse than 9/11 or the slaughter of the innocents - was the murder of Jesus, an event planned by God according to his pleasure (Is. 53:10).

God determines the fate of all men, as well. How could he control politics and history if He didn’t (you couldn’t have a crucifixion without a Judas, for instance)? Think of notable biblical examples like Pharaoh, Jacob, Esau, Saul, David, Joseph, and the “objects of his wrath” (Rom. 9:22).

Because God saves, and not me, I can relax in my confidence in His sovereignty, instead of being paranoid because of some assumed personal responsibility.

I know some people resist this emphasis on God’s sovereign control and authority. Me, I’m thrilled with it. I’d rather that my fate for eternity rest in the will of a wise, just and merciful God, and not in me. I’m a little flaky. I know that some people think that my belief in the sovereign election of God makes me a puppet. Of course that’s silly: I’ve never done anything I didn’t want to do. So while God’s election doesn’t make me a puppet, of course I can’t do anything to controvert the will of God. What kind of a God would he be if his plan could be foiled by Dale Meador of Medford, Oregon?

Yep, I’m thrilled that my salvation is determined by God and not my choice. Like the rest of my species, I was dead – not merely ill – in my sin. So I’m delighted that my fate for eternity is bound up in the always-wise predetermined plan of God (Eph. 1:4, 5, 9, 11) and not my fickle attitudes. Else, I would have something to boast about (Eph. 2: 8,9), were it my decision.

On this, I agree with other “lazy” Calvinists like preacher George Whitefield, America’s greatest theologian Jonathan Edwards, Dutch pastor and politician Abraham Kuyper, untiring English abolitionist William Wilberforce, missionary to American Indians David Brainard, the courageous Presbyterian missionary John G. Paton, the “Father of Modern Missions” William Carey, “Amazing Grace” author and evangelist John Newton, the “Prince of Preachers” Charles Haddon Spurgeon, influential author Francis A. Schaeffer, preacher Martyn Lloyd-Jones, teacher R.C. Sproul, author R.C. Sproul, Jr., and pastor John Piper.

So, back to the statement made by my friend’s relative: are those of us with high views of God’s sovereignty lazy? I turn the question back to the critics: what are they doing, arguing such matters? Since they suggest that Calvinists are lazy because Calvinists believe in the sovereign election of God to salvation, they must believe it is the choice of man that matters. If they actually believe that a man’s fate for eternity rests primarily on his or her decision, what are they doing wasting time arguing such matters? On their view, people are dying without enough information. Unbelievers are dying and going to hell because these evangelists are not there to press them to make that fateful decision for Christ, on which their fate for eternity rests.

What is my friend’s brother-in-law thinking? How can he vacation or relax or work or linger over a meal, while people on his block and in his town are dying because he’s not there to give them the information he thinks they need, or press them to the decision that he thinks they must make? How can he live with himself? What about all the things he’s said, that were flat wrong or merely imperfectly worded, that might have doomed someone to eternity because he gave the hearer the wrong impression of the Christian faith? Or what about his sinful or inconsiderate actions, which might have led to some soul’s eternal damnation because that soul was “turned off” to Christianity by the brother-in-law’s deeds?

These are all plausible results of the view that men are responsible for salvation, and not the Lord alone. How could the belief that men are responsible for their salvation not leave you frantic?

The truth is that Calvinists believe that the offer of the gospel is for all men, and are compelled by their delight in God and obedience to his word to lead winsome lives before the unbelieving world. In this way, the Lord might use their earthly display of His love as a means by which God will draw some unto Himself. At the same time, God’s sovereign choices cannot be thwarted by the Calvinist’s reluctance to do so. Praise God, God’s use of willing hearts is not the same thing as fantasizing that we are responsible for any man’s salvation.

There is no contradiction between God’s sovereignty and our privilege in proclaiming the gospel or, for that matter, in praying. On the subject of prayer, Jesus repeatedly calls attention to how close and sure his kingdom is (Matt. 3:2; 4:17; 10:7; etc.), but nonetheless tells his disciples to pray, “Thy kingdom come.” Of the importance of evangelism, in the face of God’s control over all things, John Piper writes:

Jesus promised with absolute certainty, that this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come” (Matthew 24:14, RSV). In other words, the great commission will be completed. There is no doubt. Yet Jesus commanded us to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19) and to “pray therefore the Lord of the harvest to send our laborers” (Matthew 9:38, RSV).1

Are we Calvinists sometimes inclined toward selfishness or laziness? No doubt. But no one is going to hell because of our sloth or conceit, just as no one is going to heaven because of our skill or zeal. None will be lost by Jesus, as He promised.

Dale Meador is pastor of Bear Creek Church in Medford, Oregon.

Notes 1. John Piper, “Praying For What Cannot Fail”, A Godward Life: Savoring the Supremacy of God in All of Life (Multnomah Publishers, 1997), p. 115.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: arminian; calvin; calvinwasright; god; grpl; heresy
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...I think Arminians must be exhausted or guilt-ridden (my upbringing proved this: whenever you want to guilt Arminians, just mention evangelism - “Sinners are dying and going to hell because you’re not witnessing!”).

So Arminians, the question is Why are you wasting time on FR?!? Get out there and save people!

1 posted on 01/01/2004 3:21:05 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; RnMomof7; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...
GRPL Ping


2 posted on 01/01/2004 3:24:13 PM PST by Gamecock (Just when you think you've heard everything.....)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
Marlownian ping
3 posted on 01/01/2004 3:24:58 PM PST by Gamecock (Just when you think you've heard everything.....)
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To: Gamecock
happy beginning of the next year we can do the Fathers WORK
eph 5v16redeeming the time because the days are evil
this fellow razormouth
is tottaly irreverent,happy and blessed i'm not rc
alpha
4 posted on 01/01/2004 4:18:31 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 (alpha)
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To: Gamecock
There are many stories in scriptures supporting this view as you pointed out. One of the greatest story which came to my mind is Ester. Ester was afraid of going before the King which could result in her dead. But Mordecai, her guardian, said,

"For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place and you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not attained royalty for such a time as this?" Ester 4:13-14

God would have brought forth help whatever Esther's choice. Esther's obedience resulted in a big revival and a blessing to her family.
5 posted on 01/01/2004 4:19:16 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Gamecock
Great post.

Q. 28) What advantage comes from acknowledging God's creation and providence?

A.) We learn that we are to be patient in adversity, grateful in the midst of blessing, and to trust our faithful God and Father for the future, assured that no creature shall separate us from his love, since all creatures are so completely in his hand that without his will they cannot even move." -- John Calvin, "The Heidelberg Catechism," 1563

6 posted on 01/01/2004 4:31:20 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Gamecock
We needn’t try to get him “off the hook” for tragedies by using the a-word (“God only allowed this or that to happen”), since he doesn’t allow things, he causes them.

Is this fellow saying that God is a cause of evil? That evil, instead of being a result of the movement of the creature's will, is in fact a movement of God's will (if such things could be compared)? If he is saying that it is a particularly blasphemous statement. God cannot be the cause of evil, for He is Good. 'God is light; in Him is no darkness at all.' He is, after all, the One Who Is, the I Am; and evil is a negation, an absence of good, a negation of being. It would be ridiculous to assert that God could be the cause of evil.

Of course, the author may simply be using his terms carelessly, and perhaps not in the Augustinian sense that immediately sprang to my mind. Nontheless, he is using terms I would not at all imagine using.

7 posted on 01/01/2004 5:22:06 PM PST by Cleburne
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To: Cleburne
What nonsense. God can do anything he chooses. Yes, even cause bad things to happen.

Do you not remember when God says in the NT that he CREATED evil? I forgot the verse, but it is as blasted plain as day.

Don't limit God by your extra-biblical theological formulations about what God can or cannot do.

And you Arminians say we Calvinists don't follow Scripture. Hah.
8 posted on 01/01/2004 5:37:56 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: Cleburne
Care to discuss the overall theme of this article or are you just going to act like the typical non-Calvinist and attempt nit-pick away the sovereignty of God?
9 posted on 01/01/2004 5:40:56 PM PST by Gamecock (Just when you think you've heard everything.....)
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To: Scrutator
Scrutator. As a Calvinist you are invited to be included in the GRPL (Great Reformed Ping List). Let me know if you would like to be included.
11 posted on 01/01/2004 6:17:00 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Scrutator
You said

I said no such thing, Dale Meador said it.

You make an excellant point.

12 posted on 01/01/2004 6:23:51 PM PST by Gamecock (Just when you think you've heard everything.....)
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To: Cleburne; rwfromkansas; Gamecock
Is this fellow saying that God is a cause of evil? That evil, instead of being a result of the movement of the creature's will, is in fact a movement of God's will (if such things could be compared)? If he is saying that it is a particularly blasphemous statement. God cannot be the cause of evil, for He is Good. 'God is light; in Him is no darkness at all.' He is, after all, the One Who Is, the I Am; and evil is a negation, an absence of good, a negation of being. It would be ridiculous to assert that God could be the cause of evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I The LORD do all these things.

oh, and that 'darkness' claim?

Jeremiah 13:16 Give Glory to the LORD your God, before He causes darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and while you look for light, He turns it into a shadow of death, and makes it gross darkness.

13 posted on 01/01/2004 8:11:11 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Scrutator
The word "offer" is seriously misplaced because it implies that in respect of salvation, the sovereign God is in the business of huckstering and bargaining and contracting with depraved Satanically-dominated humans on an "offer and acceptance or rejection basis.” But this is very definitely not the case.

Now you have done it. I have a name for those who resort to "huckstering" God to the masses: Kapeleuo-Christians

14 posted on 01/01/2004 8:14:42 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: HarleyD
I think you might have a point.

I've said it before: if we, as Christians, don't evangelise, we're not hurting God any, nor are we really hurting the as-yet-unbeliever either. If they're elect, God will get them. If I'm lazy, and sit on my duff doing absolutely nothing, God's not going to see his plan go to pot because I failed to do something.

No, I'm only hurting myself. Remember Paul -- In ICo. 9, he discusses why he must preach the Gospel. It's not because the stakes are high and the salvation of souls depends upon his efforts. Rather, he says "woe is me if I do not preach the Gospel." (9:16) His big concern is that he would fail to fulfill his ministry-- and embarrass himself and God (v. 27).

It's quite liberating, actually, to consider it that way. Noone is going to hell because I failed in my evangelism, any more than anyone is going to heaven because of my work in evangelism. They go to hell because of the hardness of their heart, they go to heaven because God worked in their hearts to bring them to Him. Either way, the glory goes entirely to God.

15 posted on 01/01/2004 9:02:20 PM PST by jude24 ("Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything thats even REMOTELY true!" -- H. Simpson)
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To: Gamecock
So Arminians, the question is Why are you wasting time on FR?!? Get out there and save people!

Yea no crowns for them :>)

16 posted on 01/01/2004 10:14:45 PM PST by RnMomof7 ( broomstick jockey)
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To: Cleburne
Nothing happens outside the will of God ..not one thing.
17 posted on 01/01/2004 10:18:10 PM PST by RnMomof7 ( broomstick jockey)
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To: Scrutator
Excellent point ..well taken
funny how we fall into the use of the language of others..
18 posted on 01/01/2004 10:19:59 PM PST by RnMomof7 ( broomstick jockey)
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To: jude24
I was thinking about Esther's obedience today and contrasted it with Jonah's disobedience both of whom were causes of revival.

God wanted Jonah to go to Nineveh to preach the gospel and he, of course went the other way. God didn't find someone else to carry out His will. He worked with Jonah until Jonah was willing to do what God wanted. If God wants us to do something He'll make sure we do it one way or another.

Both accomplished God's will on God's term. Esther's obedience to God's calling gave her blessings and prosperity. Jonah's disobedience gave a fish indigestion and Jonah a stinky smell. :O)
19 posted on 01/02/2004 5:08:34 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Great illustration with Jonah. Scripture is full of people who God forced into doing his will.

Consider Paul. He was quite content to persecute Christians. God smacked him to get his attention. Using your term, he "worked with" Paul to bring him around...
20 posted on 01/02/2004 5:19:13 AM PST by Gamecock (Just when you think you've heard everything.....)
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