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Catholic Priest Delivers Pro-Life Homily - Some Parishioners Walk Out
San Diego News Notes ^ | December 2003

Posted on 12/27/2003 6:55:15 AM PST by NYer

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To: redgolum; NYer; All
A few months ago, my pastor delivered a similar sermon. At least eight families walked out of the service I was in, and he said more left the church after that.

These priests need our notes of support. Doing the right thing is not always easy or popular. Infact it is usually quite hard.

21 posted on 12/27/2003 10:47:25 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Merry Christmas)
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To: redgolum
It is a sad state of affairs when a pastor stands up and delivers a much needed message, and some in the congregation are so offended they leave the church.

Dare I say that they hadn't been part of the church for a long time? They just came to the services.

22 posted on 12/27/2003 10:54:17 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (If you offer someone a body part to slit, make certain it doesn't have a major artery.)
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To: NYer
SOME PARISHIONERS WALKED OUT

Just keep on walking.

23 posted on 12/27/2003 11:28:52 AM PST by Barnacle (Dickens knew humanity and Divinity. He knew the rift between them and the paths that join them)
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To: NYer
Politicians want abortion to be legal so that they can cover up their dirty adultereous acts just in case. Women especially the wives are being fooled or used once again.
24 posted on 12/27/2003 11:29:24 AM PST by Ant_biter
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To: dubyaismypresident
Any "Catholic" who walks out on a pro-life homily might as well stay out, for they are only kidding themselves if they believe themselves to be Catholic.
25 posted on 12/27/2003 11:31:34 AM PST by Francis Joseph
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To: redgolum
Dear redgolum,

"It is a sad state of affairs when a pastor stands up and delivers a much needed message, and some in the congregation are so offended they leave the church."

From my perspective, I'm grateful that there are priests willing to speak truth sufficiently clearly that it actually offends some in the pews.


sitetest
26 posted on 12/27/2003 11:44:23 AM PST by sitetest (If you're not offending SOMEONE, you're probably not telling the whole truth, anyway.)
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To: NYer
As a regular at the March for Life I agree with Father Quinn on the media.Attending the March and then reading about it in the media shows clearly that on certain sujects the Amreican media is as bad as that in the Communist Soviet Union.If they cover the March the liberal media give the same coverage to a couple of dozen pro-abortionists as they give to tens of thousands of pro-life marchers.
Attend the March,see for your self. My wife and I would not miss it as long as one baby is being killed.
27 posted on 12/27/2003 12:17:30 PM PST by ardara
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To: sandyeggo
I'm disappointed that any walked out - but the fact that he received a hearty ovation is wonderful

Recall Francis Cardinal Arrinze's commencement address at Georgetown! TRUE Catholic doctrine is difficult for some to digest, much less embrace. That is why so many parish priests avoid 'sensitive' topics like marriage & divorce, and contraception & abortion. Don't want to reduce the weekly collection ... er, I mean the weekly attendance ;-)

The true hero in this story is the pastor who allowed him to speak. He deserves a letter of support!

28 posted on 12/27/2003 12:22:59 PM PST by NYer (Is Your Mass Valid? http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/badliturgy.htm)
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To: Conservative til I die
Instead I've got Fr. Bruce flitting down the aisle.

You too?!! My pastor floats down the aisle and doesn't quite know what to do with his hands when talking (keeps them clasped like a woman). /sigh/ He also suffers from 'crucifix' phobia /double sigh/. Just loves the major holy days when he can apply his inate talent for decorating with uplights, banners, and bold colors. Can you imagine wearing red vestments (normally reserved for Pentecost) at the Midnight Mass on Christmas.

29 posted on 12/27/2003 12:29:44 PM PST by NYer (Is Your Mass Valid? http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/badliturgy.htm)
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To: NYer
Deo gratias
30 posted on 12/27/2003 12:50:08 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYer


Father Michael F. Murphy
Pastor
Phone (619) 435-3167
ext. 301
pastor@sacredheartcor.org

31 posted on 12/27/2003 12:59:18 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYer
Wow, that's fantastic, NYer! Thanks so much for posting this.
32 posted on 12/27/2003 1:32:22 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Freedom isn't won by soundbites but by the unyielding determination and sacrifice given in its cause)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; sandyeggo
Thanks for posting the pictures! Beautiful church - palm trees and no snow ;-)
33 posted on 12/27/2003 1:43:30 PM PST by NYer (Is Your Mass Valid? http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/badliturgy.htm)
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To: dubyaismypresident; xsmommy
This is an admirable man. Too bad the CINOs don't want to hear the truth.
34 posted on 12/27/2003 2:13:01 PM PST by secret garden (Gloria in excelis Deo)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I actually had a long talk with both pastors about this a few weeks later. The families that had walked out were fairly new there, but there was a few that had been there for a year or more. The senior pastor told me that the mother of one of the families had spoken to him saying that they would not tolerate any anti abortion sermons.

Two weeks later pastor gave one, and they left! The two pastors were not sorry, and made a point the following week to say that.

However in a local mega-church in Omaha, they have a strict policy of no talk of abortion. To many of the "members" would leave.
35 posted on 12/27/2003 3:25:48 PM PST by redgolum
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To: dubyaismypresident; redgolum; cyn; NYer; All
St. Thomas Aquinas said The Truth is Hate to those who hate the truth.

A few years ago our Parochial Vicar gave a great pro-life homily. 15 minutes into it he got visibly nervous and abruptly switched to "social teaching"

A buddy told me later in the week that he quietly turned around to watch the expression of the congregation. He said several had disgusted angry faces. The good Padre must have lost his nerve?

I later asked why he didn't give more pro-life homilies since he is pro-life. He said once or twice per year is all the flock can take and he didn't want to loose them.



Inside the Minds of Priests on the Abortion Issue
http://www.lifeissues.org/connector/display.asp?page=02oct.html

As we approach the 30th anniversary of abortion-on-demand, some pro-lifers have expressed a frustration that unborn babies are still being killed, even though the numbers are decreasing. What would help end this modern day holocaust? It’s a common opinion among pro-life leaders and educators that abortion would end sooner if the churches would actively educate and motivate the members of their congregations and parishes regarding this issue. A positive development toward this end has been a project by Priests for Life who commissioned a credible survey of priests on the abortion issue.

Protestants also take note. The survey reveals information that may shed light on how you too can approach your pastors to activate the abortion issue within non-Catholic churches.

Wirthlin Worldwide, a highly respected polling firm, surveyed over 500 priests across the nation by telephone. In part, the study was designed to "measure priests' general awareness of abortion and abortion issues in the US and discover how priests address the issue of abortion in their own ministry."

The results provide a snapshot, revealing areas where individuals and pro-life organizations have an opportunity to work with priests to promote education and motivation within more Catholic parishes.

Priests' Knowledge of Abortion
The research showed that a majority of priests are generally informed regarding the basics on abortion. 65 percent knew that abortion was legally available throughout the nine months of pregnancy. 68% were aware that most abortions are performed for social or economic reasons – the reason for over 98% of all abortions done.

Most priests substantially underestimated the number of abortions done in the US each year. Only 7% said there were over 100,000 abortions performed annually. The reality is that, every year, over 1.3 million unborn babies die on the altar of "choice". Further, 57% felt that the rate of abortion is lower in their community compared to the general population. Only 4% thought that it was higher.

Abortion rated as the most important issue with about half of those polled (52%). It was closely followed by poverty (43%) and drug abuse (34%). Euthanasia and assisted suicide came in fourth (26%). (The percentages do not add up to 100 because respondents were able to select more than one answer.)

How They Address the Abortion Issue
The priests were asked, as representatives of the church, how often did they mentioned the abortion issue. 19 percent said once or twice a year, 40% said every few months, 25% mentioned abortion every few weeks and 14% mentioned it weekly or more. How often do they preach on abortion? 32% admitted that they never dedicated an entire homily to abortion, while 55% did once or twice a year. Only 10% preached exclusively on abortion every few months and 2% did so every few weeks.

When they do preach about abortion, 78% talk about the rights of unborn babies, 60% about post-abortion healing and forgiveness, 56% speak to the issue of harm to women and how this action offends God and 44% address the need to change the law.

A vast majority (76%) felt that they addressed abortion about the right amount, while 22% felt they were not addressing it frequently enough. The two most common reasons given for not addressing it enough was that there are too many issues to deal with (29%) and that abortion is a sensitive issue (15%). Only 1% indicated a concern that there would be a woman in the congregation that may have had an abortion.

When asked in what other ways did they address the abortion issue, a wide variety of reasons were given, the most common being counseling (40%), community involvement (34%) or in general meetings or sessions (24%).

The poll seems to indicate that a majority of priests are open to further education. 36% felt that a majority of the people they serve know all they need to know about abortion. 59% felt they didn't know enough. It also appears that the members of Catholic parishes are eager to hear more on this issue. When asked how receptive a majority of the people were to abortion discussions, 87% felt they were very or somewhat receptive, while only 9% felt they were not very or not at all receptive.

A valuable result of the poll shows which abortion-related activities priests would most likely promote. 71% said the distribution of educational material in the parish, 59% indicated a special mass, 37% would allow a guest speaker for an evening event, while 27% a guest weekend preacher. 32% would participate in a prayer vigil at an abortion clinic. 77% would be very or somewhat likely to place a local or national hotline phone number on the cover of the parish bulletin that refers people to alternatives to abortion.

While 40% of the priests polled said that there were no obstacles to make it more difficult to address the abortion issue, 23% indicated that the issue was very emotional, 14% noted a lack of interest on the part of the congregation and 12% said it didn't fit in the church.

Their Personal Response
When asked how important the abortion issue was to them personally when voting for candidates, 37 percent said it was extremely important and 37% indicated it was very important. 25% said that it was only somewhat or not very important.

Researchers asked them how important should the abortion issues be for Catholics when deciding who to vote for. 31% responded extremely important and 42% said very important. 26% indicated only somewhat or not very important.

Perhaps one of the most revealing results of the research was that the priests polled clearly felt that the responsibility for ending abortion was not theirs. Who should bear this responsibility? A full 62% said laity in the church, 16% indicated the government and only 11% said the clergy.

How We Can Assist Them
What would help priests to personally feel more equipped to address the abortion issue? The research shows 41 percent said training on counseling, while 39% said resources for preaching and the opportunity to share experiences regarding pro-life activities with other priests. 34% wanted ideas for parish and school activities.

We now have a better idea of how priests obtain most of their information on abortion (73%) from literature from pro-life groups and (56%) from their diocese. The most helpful venues for pro-life information were short newsletters (49%) and videotapes (22%). Pro-life web sites may be a wealth of information because about half (46%) of those polled use the Internet to get information.

Priests for Life was familiar to 84% of the priests polled, with 78% of them having a very or somewhat favorable impression of the organization. As a result, you may want to have them assist your efforts to reach out to more Catholic clergy. Contact Priests for Life, PO Box 141172, Staten Island, NY 10314. Phone 718.980.4400. www.priestsforlife.org

Another contact for Catholic resources is the Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities, US Conference of Catholic Bishops, 3211 4th St., NE, Washington, DC 20017. Phone 202.541.3070. www.usccb.org/prolife
36 posted on 12/27/2003 4:17:42 PM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
"He said once or twice per year is all the flock can take and he didn't want to loose them."

Does he want them to lose their immortal souls?

The point of the exercise is not to bring the church in line with secular society, but to bring us all in line with God's will.
37 posted on 12/27/2003 5:46:45 PM PST by dsc
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To: viaveritasvita
Copy and send to Catholic friends and select some quotes from Fr. Quinn for Roe v Wade "anniversary" email.

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38 posted on 12/27/2003 5:54:54 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: cpforlife.org
What would help priests to personally feel more equipped?

Answer: Cajones

39 posted on 12/27/2003 6:59:39 PM PST by NormalGuy
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To: dsc
Exactly! Well stated.
40 posted on 12/28/2003 12:18:34 AM PST by enuu
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