GREAT X-MAS POLL! What religion do you follow?

PHXnews ^ | 12/25/03 | PHXnews

[AZ Righty]

We already know how we feel about Bush, Gore, Hillary, Dean and the all of our worthless politicians, but how do you feel about God?

On PHXnews they are asking an interesting question this Christmas day. SHARE YOUR VIEWS BY VOTING.

POLL QUESTION: What religion do you follow?

Christian

New Age

Catholic

Mormon

Hare Krishna

Jewish

Islamic

Scientology

Sikh

Hindu

Siek

Atheist

Bahá'í

Buddhist

[ladyinred]

A lot of Churches think THEY are the Church Jesus founded. I don't think any of them are right about that, but then, that's just me. I think he founded HIS Church, based upon his body and blood and our belief in Him as the Savior of the world. The Church is the entire body of believers no matter what name is on the building.

[maui_hawaii]

I believe you have not even studied what he said or did. It is Far more than fortune telling as what your definition of a prophet is.

But even at that it ain't over yet. Just because things haven't happened according to your time table means very little.

[maui_hawaii]

Secondly if you can quote yourself and some obscure historian, I can quote Joseph Smith. I think he is qualified to say what Mormons believe in. Which IS what we are discussing.

[maui_hawaii]

You've tried to evolve the conversation from what Mormons believe in to 'lets subtly bash the mormons' or 'lets compare what mormons believe in to what "I" believe in'; or any combination of the two.

[xzins]

Do you say that because you're mormon, because you're trying to be fair, or both?

[clamper1797]

Do you say that because you're mormon, because you're trying to be fair, or both?

I used to be Morman and it is fair ... so both ... kinda

[sirchtruth]

Secondly if you can quote yourself and some obscure historian, I can quote Joseph Smith. I think he is qualified to say what Mormons believe in. Which IS what we are discussing.

What are you talking about? I used a written passage of Joseph Smith, a prophecy that never came true? Can you say the same about Jesus, or any other prophet in the OT?

Your JS, the one YOU quoted, wrote down a prophecy that never came true along with a plethora of others that directly contradicts what God has said to know a true prophet.

Why should I take it on face value some other thing he wrote that is at the very least spurious because of his previous track record?

Give me a break!

And while we are discussing what Mormon's believe in, tell me this...do you know what a peep stone is?

[maui_hawaii]

Jesus Christ himself said He will come again. Hasn't happened. He must have made a mistake.

[sirchtruth]

But even at that it ain't over yet. Just because things haven't happened according to your time table means very little.

What you probably don't know because you probably haven't studied your own church founders veiws well enough is that Smith said the "Temple" in MISSOURI was prophetically to be built with in a generation, that current generation. We can safely say a generation has past since 1832, can't we?

Look I can show you so much B.S. this "self named phophet" spewed that hasn't come to fruition when he said it would it would make your head spin.

I thought we were relying on something we both could agree is authenticated the OT & NT and you quoted Smith which I highly regard as a false prophet.

At least we can agree on Daniel or Eziekel as true prophets.

[SierraWasp]

Of course not! I guess you took it wrong. I was talking about all those boiling over with self-righteous certitude!!!

[franky]

I agree!

[Desdemona]

Catholics are Christians.

People wonder why we are separated. Well, the PROTESTant sects - what are they protesting? The Catholic Church. That's why they are called protestants.

In answer to the question, Christian, Roman Catholic Church.

[Barnacle]

...modern Roman Catholicism and Biblical Christianity are in fact mutually exclusive...

There's one in every crowd.

[Desdemona]

All that matters is following The Word of Jesus. Catholics do not, starting with prayers to many false gods (Mary, Saints, etc).

In Roman Catholicism, Mary is not a diety. Nor are any of the saints. We ask these people, who are with God in Heaven, to pray for us. God - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - is all powerful. It is through Him that these people even have special designation. It is through God that all things are done. The Word is a part of living, yes, and a guide. And yes we do use it - the whole thing, including the books that were removed by Martin Luther.

Catholics are Christians. We are no different than any other people in that some profess to be and don't follow the teachings of Christ in their everyday lives. But to say that we are not bible beliving Christians just isn't true.

[Barnacle]

It's best to just refer to yourself as Catholic, as it is quite different than Christian.

And a merry Christmas to you too.

[sirchtruth]

I don't know WHAT the hebrew word is, and I don't care. But even if what you are saying is true regarding that word it fits perfectly with what explained earlier on this thread regarding how Christ can be considered God. In ways He CAN be considered the Father because He is the Creator.

It's not whether he can be considered anything...Look you are arguing Jesus Is NOT equal with God and I am refuting you with facts you can not deny.

The fact that you do not know the hebrew or greek word for God the father doesn't mean a whole lot, what matters is your interpretation glossing over the meanings of words and facts. You keep looking at this metaphorically and you need to understand that Jesus is God the Father because he not only implied it, he said it in so many ways there's no mistake about it. In John when he says, "I and the father are ONE." He's not speaking metaphorically like he's just a son. The ONE in the heb...original context or meaning is divisible...it's not meant to be a figurative term, and we know this because of the original meaning. ONE = WHOLE = INDIVIDUAL. You can't just wave that off, it's what it meant!

"If you have seen me you have seen the Father" I'm sorry if you want to try to twist and cort that to mean, "he is his father's alright, he acts just like him," you're fooling yourself. Especially when it was preceeded with "Show us the Father."

I have no problem with you arguing Jesus was just a son of God and not equal with him, but when you take a fact and try to twist the word to fit what you want it to do, that's not being honest about the reality.

Listen my intent is not to offend anyone eventhough I realize I come on a little strong, but it is important that you understand Words mean things and whether or not Jesus, J. Smith or myself states something it has value until it is discredited...There is no doubt J.Smith has said and written things that have been discredited not by any individual, but by time and himself alone and I would be glad to show you anytime...using his own words and deeds.

Time for sleep...Thanks for the engagement.

[RobbyS]

Which is, again, to beg the question. To know that the Bible is the Word of God is first to put trust in those who put the Book into your hands. To forget that is to make the Book an idol.

[sirchtruth]

Jesus Christ himself said He will come again. Hasn't happened. He must have made a mistake.

OH, that's another one of JS prophecies that failed. I believe he implied that Jesus would come back to earth 56 years from 1832.

By my calculation 56 year was 1888. Do ya think he showed up and didn't tell anybody?

Jesus never stated when in the future he would arrive, or have you found a contrivance that he did? Futhermore he said HE didn't even know the time...

I better stop there because I don't want to load you up with that obvious ammo.

[Salvation]

**Roman Catholicism is but one of many Christian denominations, and did not come into being until the 3rd or 4th century. >> **

Are you really sure?

Have you not read in the Acts of the Apostles about the First Council of Jerusalem and the discussion over which Peter presided concerning circumcision. Check your Bible, please! That happened in the years after Christ! (A century had NOT passed!)

[restornu]

Merry Christmas

ho ho ho!