To: Hermann the Cherusker; sinkspur; dangus
von Balthasar's theory is built on nothing more than his ignorance of scripture - or maybe being of the "New Theology" school, he never accepted the inerrancy of scripture.
The letter of Jude is very clear that souls are already burning eternally in hell:
Jude 6 "And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day.
7 As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the PUNISHMENT OF ETERNAL FIRE."
Note bene! This is not some temporary infernal punishment, it is ETERNAL FIRE.
This is more than sufficient to give the lie to von Balthasar's crackpot, acedia-inducing heresy. He and von Speyr were dangerous fools who had been lured by satan's false promises:
Gen 3,4 "And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death."
To: Tantumergo
This is more than sufficient to give the lie to von Balthasar's crackpot, acedia-inducing heresy. He and von Speyr were dangerous fools who had been lured by satan's false promises: He's one of John Paul II's favorites.
43 posted on
10/21/2003 2:07:20 PM PDT by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! Save a life, and maybe you'll save your own, too!)
To: Tantumergo
Bing! Bing! Bing!
Tantumergo wins! He finds an infallible source that insists that some souls experience eternal fire!
Can anyone offer a counterargument?
47 posted on
10/21/2003 2:14:47 PM PDT by
dangus
To: Tantumergo; sinkspur; dangus; Maximilian
Thank you for that additional support of St. Jude 6-7. He also mentions the fate of Core and his fellow Schismatics from Numbers 16:
St. Jude 11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves and have perished in the contradiction of Core.
12 These are spots in their banquets, feasting together without fear, feeding themselves: clouds without water, which are carried about by winds: trees of the autumn, unfruitful, twice dead, plucked up by the roots:
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion: wandering stars, to whom the storm of darkness is reserved for ever.
Well worth noting, the word "perish" certainly means more than bodily death, but also spiritual damnation. But those who are saved are alive in Christ.
St. Matthew 22.32 I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not "perish".
or maybe being of the "New Theology" school, he never accepted the inerrancy of scripture.
That is fairly clear from reading his theoriziings. He certainly did not accept the traditional interpretation of the Church, which led him into Christological errors such as his insistence that Christ REALLY DIDN'T know the hour of the second coming (which then implies Christ is not truly God), as here:
St. Mark 13.32 But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.
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