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Immigration proposal has many fearing racial profiling
ElPasoTimes.com ^ | October 9, 2003

Posted on 10/09/2003 7:37:22 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

The next time you get pulled over by a police officer you may be asked for your license, your registration and possibly your green card.

Republicans in Congress are pushing a controversial proposal that would pressure local and state police departments to arrest undocumented immigrants.

Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., introduced the so-called CLEAR Act -- for Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act -- in July. The measure has 102 co-sponsors.

It's no surprise that immigration advocates abhor the legislation, but so do many police chiefs who question whether the measure would do more harm than good.

Tony Estrada, sheriff in Arizona's Santa Cruz County, which borders Mexico, does not completely oppose the proposal, but worries it would discourage immigrants from reporting crimes.

"We will assist all law-enforcement agencies if someone has been identified as being wanted, but we won't go out and look for these people who are here illegally," he said.

Norwood argues that the 2,000 federal immigration agents charged with tracking down the country's estimated 8 million to 9 million undocumented immigrants can't do their jobs without help from hundreds of thousands of local law enforcement officers.

He's especially angered that 400,000 people have been ordered deported by immigration judges but remain in the United States in defiance of the law. That group includes 80,000 undocumented immigrants convicted of serious crimes, according to federal officials.

"The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement can't find them," Norwood said. "They need help from police officers, the folks who come across these people every day during routine traffic stops and other activities in the course of their regular duty."

His bill, which stands a better chance of passage in the House than in the Senate, would not require local law-enforcement agencies to find undocumented immigrants. But those localities that refuse to cooperate in assisting federal immigration authorities could lose millions of dollars in federal funds.

That could prove costly to taxpayers in most states. Nationwide, 665 local and state governments shared $805 million in the past two years from the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which reimburses localities for incarcerating undocumented immigrants convicted of other crimes.

Immigration advocates and civil rights groups argue that Norwood's bill would open the door to racial profiling.

"The knee-jerk reaction of many but not all officers under the legislation would be to demand immigration documents from every member of the community who may look foreign," said Katherine Culliton, a lawyer with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, a civil rights group.

She and others are particularly troubled by a provision that would grant local police officers immunity from civil lawsuits for enforcing immigration laws.

Republican Rep. John Hostettler of Indiana, who chairs a House immigration subcommittee, wasn't impressed when he heard the opponents' arguments at a recent hearing.

"This is timely legislation," he said. "Our nation faces an illegal immigration crisis of epic proportions."

But other Republican and Democratic lawmakers on the subcommittee were highly skeptical of the need for such a bill.

Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., called it a "Band-Aid" approach to dealing with illegal immigration.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: clearact; immigrantlist; racialprofiling
...but we won't go out and look for these people who are here illegally," he said.

If you are llegal...please pass 'Go' and collect your $200.
1 posted on 10/09/2003 7:37:22 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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2 posted on 10/09/2003 7:38:24 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"He's especially angered that 400,000 people have been ordered deported by immigration judges but remain in the United States in defiance of the law."

So am I.

"The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement can't find them"

Okay, then they need help.

Either enforce the laws or change them.

3 posted on 10/09/2003 7:46:18 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Has the Fall of California been averted--or merely postponed?)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
This is the process that should be followed, or combine the greencard with the drivers license - that way - you won't need to ask. If you are in the country without a green card, you should be arrested and deported!
4 posted on 10/09/2003 7:50:23 AM PDT by Core_Conservative (To my wife, the Wonderful AND Beautiful - ODC-GIRL - Ready to Defend our Country 24x7!)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Good, now pass it and sign it into law.
5 posted on 10/09/2003 7:51:00 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"Our nation faces an illegal immigration crisis of epic proportions."

...400,000 people have been ordered deported by immigration judges but remain in the United States in defiance of the law. That group includes 80,000 undocumented immigrants convicted of serious crimes, according to federal officials.

"but we won't go out and look for these people who are here illegally,"

nothing to see here, move along now, carry on with your lives, go shopping,

6 posted on 10/09/2003 7:52:13 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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Immigration advocates and civil rights groups argue that Norwood's bill would open the door to racial profiling.

Of course it's racial profiling. Mexicans are streaming across our border unimpeded. So to find them, you target Mexican looking people that can't speak English. What's the problem? Not only should we be doing this during traffic stops, but we should be doing this during job interviews, campus admissions, medical admissions, and grocery purchases. These "rights" groups are full of idiots. Illegals out of the US now!
7 posted on 10/09/2003 8:04:48 AM PDT by BeerSwillr
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I was going to say, that just the headline sounds ignorant. How else could you control immigration without out racial profiling?
8 posted on 10/09/2003 8:10:01 AM PDT by cwb
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
" But those localities that refuse to cooperate in assisting federal immigration authorities could lose millions of dollars in federal funds "

As well they should!

Illegals are breaking the law. Police officers are employed to Enforce the Law? Just what is the problemo?
9 posted on 10/09/2003 9:02:31 AM PDT by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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ping
10 posted on 10/09/2003 9:28:12 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: BSunday
Pssst...


Ping!
11 posted on 10/09/2003 10:37:18 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull$hit!)
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I thought after 9.11 all cops would have been deputized to the INS/Border Patrol for immigration status checks as needed.

I carried my passport for a long time, and was never asked to show proof of citizenship. Even when stopped for a sticker, etc.

Oh, the humiliation, the degradation! Such a police state.
12 posted on 10/09/2003 10:40:43 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: gubamyster; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Yeah Charlie...pass the Clear Act! Encourage your Reps they best pass it!!!
13 posted on 10/10/2003 8:35:06 AM PDT by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: BeerSwillr
Of course it's racial profiling. Mexicans are streaming across our border unimpeded. So to find them, you target Mexican looking people that can't speak English.

Even easier --- Mexican looking-speaking people who have no legitimate US drivers license or auto insurance. That means someone presenting a California drivers license or some others is highly questionable. Anyhow if they have no liability insurance but a here legally --- deport them anyhow.

14 posted on 10/10/2003 2:28:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: JustPiper
The CLEAR Act picked up 102 cosponsors in 3 months, not bad.

Looking at Mr. Norwoods website, he is a real conservative American.

15 posted on 10/10/2003 3:31:20 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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