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1 posted on 10/08/2003 9:28:07 PM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 10/08/2003 9:34:51 PM PDT by ambrose
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3 posted on 10/08/2003 9:35:13 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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"...the...creation of a moderate California Republican Party."

Yep, I'd say we've got that here big-time.

4 posted on 10/08/2003 9:36:11 PM PDT by doingtherightthing ((I voted for Tom and Bustamante didn't win after all, did he south40?)
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For weeks, California Democrats have been confiding to me that the recall of Gov. Gray Davis was inevitable and the election of the popular actor was probable.

SOMEBODY LEAKED TO NOVAK!!!!!!!!!!!!! This calls for a special prosecutor.

5 posted on 10/08/2003 9:36:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (mislead, misled, lie, lied, failed, failure,leaked, revenge, etc., etc., etc..)
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Thanks for posting this.

Part of our problem is the professionalism of the electorial staff, the statisticians, lobbyists, and campaign managers who package issues on both sides. Elections end up being close, and then the ability of one side or another gerrymander the districts so a close election will almost always express the success of the previous gerrymander.

only when the gerrymander is outdated from growth, or a vast shift in the electorate can the professionalism be overcome. The state boundaries are less succeptable to gerrymandering, so the Senate is now our most variable federal government body, the opposite of the founders intent.

A cure?

one option is proportional representation, instead of first past the post, but that would help minor parties more than the electorate. I don't think it would be an improvement to have the decisions made in a smoke filled room by professional politicians assembling coalitions.

second option would be to come up with an algorithm that would "randomly" distribute districts along the political spectrum, so one district would have the most right wing electorate, (sutter county) another would have the most left wing (sanfrancisco?) and the rest would be distributed in between. I put that out, and suggest that some Freeper working on his polysci or applied math PHD might take up the challenge.
6 posted on 10/08/2003 9:39:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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Everybody knew what Bob Mulholland, the poison-tongued state Democratic Party spokesman, was talking about when he predicted that Schwarzenegger would be facing "real bullets" in the campaign.

He is Wormtongue.

7 posted on 10/08/2003 9:39:36 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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the potential creation of a moderate California Republican Party

Moderate meaning you take half the (R) platform and half the (D) platform and run with it. Is this good or bad for conservatism in the long run?

8 posted on 10/08/2003 9:42:20 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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For once in California, the Republicans were the pragmatists.

Pragmatism is not a mortal sin.

9 posted on 10/08/2003 9:43:01 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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Arnold Schwarzenegger's landslide victory in the California recall...

Let's be honest. Arnold's 48% was not an overwhelming victory by itself. If you add in McClintock's 13%, you reach 61% and that is a great majority of votes for one side. The Republican side. Not the Arnold side.

11 posted on 10/08/2003 9:46:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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Would have thought also that Terry McAulliffe's head would have been served on a platter by now. . .

Of course,there is 'no low', too 'low' for a committed rat; but I hate to see where this takes them as they prepare even more desperately, to discredit/undermine Arnold; and with even more contemptible passion; if possible; President Bush.

And I do wonder what Hillary's muse is saying to her now.

13 posted on 10/08/2003 9:54:53 PM PDT by cricket
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Words of advice for Democrats: You live by the Clinton, you die by the Clinton.

Hey Bob Mulholland, you worthless piece of human slime, so Arnold was going to face "real bullets"? How did you like both barrels right between your eyes last night?
16 posted on 10/08/2003 10:00:56 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU TAKEN OFF THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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Yet, Davis's inner circle and the state party leadership could think only of personal attacks on Schwarzenegger to avoid a Democratic debacle.

Novak seems to be getting an inkling of what FReepers have known for years -- the Democrats have no ideas, no energy, no principles, no shame. All they have is pandering, attacks on their opponents and legal chicanery. There is no there there, anymore.

19 posted on 10/08/2003 10:08:06 PM PDT by JennysCool
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A real grassroots revolution happened here yesterday, with democrats, republicans, and independents joining together, forgetting our differences and ousting the corrupt Davis machine into oblivion!
23 posted on 10/08/2003 10:11:34 PM PDT by ladyinred (Talk about a revolution, look at California!!! We dumped Davis!!!)
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Good article by Novak. Thanks for posting it.
27 posted on 10/08/2003 10:15:22 PM PDT by PGalt
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The decisive element of the recall election was the breaking of a vicious cycle that seemed to doom the California Republican Party to perpetual defeat. The model was the 2002 GOP primary for governor, where the party's conservative base rejected two candidates who could have defeated an unpopular Davis and nominated one who could not.

How many times do I have to debunk this bull?

Gerry Parsky was given his job by Karl Rove because he was supposed to be an effective fundraiser. Parsky refused to do so for Simon because of a personal vendetta against William Simon Sr. Parsky witheld funds for donor tracking, refused to buy computers to organize GOTV, forced Sal Russo to sign the Log Cabin letter that upset Simon's conservative base, stipulated the consulting firm Simon had to hire to run his campaign (remember "Fire Gray Davis"?) and that Simon accept Ed Rollins as a consultant (who produced that stupid fundraising letter).

With all that, and the fact that Davis foisted an organized effort within the administration and in the media to defraud the public about the deficit, Simon only lost by 350,000 votes, while 1.5 million Republicans stayed home.

This popular whizdumb has to stop.

29 posted on 10/08/2003 10:22:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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BUMP!
31 posted on 10/08/2003 10:32:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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I think it was splendid that Davis got re-elected in 2002. Can you imagine if a Republican had been elected after Davis lowballed the deficit and projected a rose-colored outlook,(kind of like in 2000)the Dems would have blamed the GOP for the deficit (like they do Dubya).

Also, Tom Mcclintock was very useful in this campaign, I think he was a great voice for conservatism in the debate. I think Arnold wouldn't have done has well had been the only Republican getting whacked by the Camejo, Hiffington and Bustamante. Mcclintock was the most articulate and competent voice in the debate and he enegized the base and the base being pragmatic went for Arnold. All in all, it all happened for a reason. I am also thrilled that we have so much footage of all the 9 dwarves and the Clintonistas with Davis, they look terrible. Their disregard for the will of the voters and allegiance to their partisan over the people is gonna do them in. It is more than likely that Dubya will have a better approval rating than Davis did (not hard to do) and they are going to have a Hell of a time making the case that he should go when they defended Davis in defiance of the will of 70% of the electorate.
37 posted on 10/08/2003 10:47:15 PM PDT by faithincowboys (Defeat the Fifth Column Leftist Bastards)
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Mexicans are conservative by nature, by religion. They are democrats by hand-out and illegality. Once these people exert their sheer numbers they will affect positively the nation.
39 posted on 10/08/2003 10:53:25 PM PDT by Jumper ("Its economic warfare, stupid")
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Even Ronald Reagan as governor signed a bill to legalize abortion and was open-minded on homosexual rights.

The McClintockBots somehow overlooked this bit.

45 posted on 10/08/2003 11:21:58 PM PDT by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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46 posted on 10/08/2003 11:58:56 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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