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Why sex tales failed to stop Arnold
SwissInfo News Service ^ | 10/8/03 | Jill Serjeant

Posted on 10/08/2003 1:36:24 PM PDT by PokeyJoe

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Sex and politics have never been easy bedfellows in American
politics.

But to hear the political pundits tell it on Wednesday, Arnold Schwarzenegger's election as
California governor despite being portrayed as "The Groper," has more to do with the
peculiarities of a historic recall race than a sea change in national ethics.

In a nation where so many politicians have been brought down by their sexual peccadilloes,
Schwarzenegger's success in shrugging off widespread, and potentially criminal allegations of
sexual harassment provoked more sanguine resignation than shocked indignance.

"Part of the reason Schwarzenegger (a Republican) overcame this is because so many
people knew about this going in. This is not some true-blue conservative and all of a sudden
one day you wake up and find he is groping women," said Republican political consultant Allan
Hoffenblum.

"The Republican hierarchy were able to convince themselves that this is not the Arnold
Schwarzenegger of today, that he really is a different person. And as a group they were so
hungry for a win that they overlooked things they may not have done under other
circumstances," Hoffenblum told Reuters.

California -- solidly Democratic, home to movie stars, a champion of gay rights and liberal on
issues such as the death penalty and gun control -- is also less prudish about sex than many
other U.S. states, especially in the post-Clinton era.

"California is generally more libertarian. People here care less about a candidate's personal
behaviour. That was true of Clinton (during the presidential impeachment crisis) and is true of
Schwarzenegger," said Anthony York, editor of the California newsletter Political Pulse.

"The last 5-10 years have dulled people to all of it and there is a feeling that private life
doesn't matter," he said.

A LIBERAL PLACE

The rumours about Schwarzenegger's past as a womaniser were hardly new. But when the
Los Angeles Times, in the closing days of the campaign, printed graphic and detailed accounts
by six women who claimed they had been groped by the actor over three decades, most
commentators cried "dirty tricks" by a newspaper already perceived as left-wing. At least 10
other women later came forward with similar stories.

Ironically, the lateness of the allegations, together with Schwarzenegger's swift but blanket
acknowledgement that there was "no smoke without fire" may in fact have saved him.

"It was too little, too late. Gov. Gray Davis was already damaged goods. Too many people
had already made up their minds and there weren't enough of the 'undecided' to move into the
'No on recall' column," said Joe Cerrell, a Democratic political consultant.

Hoffenblum said the late charges made it easy for Republican voters to dismiss them as
nothing but a smear campaign, and did little to sway the vast middle ground who simply wanted
a change from Davis and politics as usual.

The driving force of the entire recall campaign, he said, was widespread intense dislike
among voters of the Democratic governor in particular and state politics in general, along with
Republican fervour to regain power in California after years in the political wilderness.

Reuters


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arnold; backfire; california; slimemachine
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1 posted on 10/08/2003 1:36:25 PM PDT by PokeyJoe
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2 posted on 10/08/2003 1:38:25 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: PokeyJoe
Why sex tales failed to stop Arnold

Ok - it's really quite simple:

The overall morality of Americans has declined so far that "we" don't really care about the morals of candidates. If America really cared at all about Morality, Clintoon would have not have been elected to a 2nd term, he might have been impeached (removed from office) in his first term.

3 posted on 10/08/2003 1:42:20 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: PokeyJoe
Lots of reasons besides the context of Hollyweird.

The media said if the wife stands by her man then it doesn't matter....remember that!!!!!

The media has a reputation for this kind of drive by assassination attempt and the public has had enough!

The dems said personal behaviour doesn't count.....so they have to live with it now!

4 posted on 10/08/2003 1:43:37 PM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: PokeyJoe
Schwarzenegger's success in shrugging off widespread, and potentially criminal allegations of sexual harassment

Schwarzeneggers success was that he didn't schrugg it off, he faced it head on with the most seldom used weapon in American politics, TRUTH.
Arnold acknowleged his trespasses and apologized for his behavior, only in politics would something so noble be considered a tactic.
5 posted on 10/08/2003 1:45:14 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: TheBattman
I'm not sure I agree. I wonder if the stories simply weren't believed because everyone knew the depths to which the DNC could sink.

Not to mention that the real babes seemed to be taking up for him, and the accusers all seemed to look (mostly) like washed up lezbian soccer players.

6 posted on 10/08/2003 1:57:05 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: PokeyJoe
Several reasons why the charges against Arnold did not matter much to the voters:

The election was held in California where actors/singers such as Michael Jackson, Michael Douglas, Warren Beatty and others have been given a pass for worse things -- not to mention the messages promoted by prime time TV.

It happened long ago with not one of the alleged victims having filed a complaint. And then there was the picture of one of them -- hardly the type to attract a grope.

All these years NOW has been preaching about one free grope and, along with the media and others, made excuses for Clinton's far worse behavior.

Since the Hitler accusations proved to be lies yet were repeatd, the other charges lost credibility.

Backlash to the media hysteria. The LA Times and others went too far.

It was either Davis/Bustemante or Arnold.

7 posted on 10/08/2003 2:16:51 PM PDT by Dante3
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IT was amusing to see even the "mainstream" press laugh at NOW for trying to make this an issue after their silence during the Clinton years. Remember Gloria Steniem? Before Clinton she wrote that if a woman felt "bad" about a consensual sexual experience the morning after it could be rape. When Kathleen Willey came forward she said that every man gets "one free grope". NOW has zero credibility.
8 posted on 10/08/2003 2:21:37 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: PokeyJoe
perceived as left-wing

perceived ?

9 posted on 10/08/2003 2:24:38 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: PokeyJoe
The chief reason why it didn't work is that most voters thought it was all a sleazy lie. Did Arnold joke around with women on movie sets? Probably. So what? Did he sexually harrass them? I doubt it.

When I greet an old friend I give them a hug and a kiss. Is that sexual harrassment or loose morality? I don't think so.

The PC media can turn a pat on the head into a sexual crime. People are sick of that stuff. They are even sicker of this kind of dirty dumping on Republicans just before election day.

I haven't been a great Arnold fan, but this is nonsense.
10 posted on 10/08/2003 2:42:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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For me personally, it was the lateness of the allegations. Printing them so late is obviously designed to deprive us of the opportunity to look at the accusers and facts in detail. Dirty pool designed tomanipulate voter sentiments.
11 posted on 10/08/2003 2:47:51 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: PokeyJoe
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12 posted on 10/08/2003 10:09:52 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: XJarhead
I believe Arnold comes across as a big teddy bear--with a frat boy sense of humor--Slapping a woman on the butt is sort of his style. Remember when they tried to get Errol Flynn for having sex with two 17 year olds in the 1940s? He beat the rap. Flynn was expected to sleep with anything in a skirt. There wasn't any shock--even then people thought any girl who went out with Errol Flynn knew the score. Also, Maria was there to counter the negative effect of the "Gropping" charges. He should give her a big kiss for "standing by her man."
13 posted on 10/08/2003 10:29:54 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: XJarhead
I believe Arnold comes across as a big teddy bear--with a frat boy sense of humor--Slapping a woman on the butt is sort of his style. Remember when they tried to get Errol Flynn for having sex with two 17 year olds in the 1940s? He beat the rap. Flynn was expected to sleep with anything in a skirt. There wasn't any shock--even then people thought any girl who went out with Errol Flynn knew the score. Also, Maria was there to counter the negative effect of the "Gropping" charges. He should give her a big kiss for "standing by her man."
14 posted on 10/08/2003 10:30:32 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: TheBattman
Exactly. Dems long ago sanctioned infidelity and illicit sexual relations as acceptable in politicians. The list goes back to Jefferson Davis, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wislon, FDR, JFK and Clinton. How Truman and Carter ever got to the top in the Democratic Party without getting caught with their pants down is a total mystery. Especially Jimmy.
15 posted on 10/08/2003 10:36:34 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Hollywoodghost
yeah, but does she bake cookies?
16 posted on 10/09/2003 4:28:15 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (Don't talk about my armchair unless you know how to pull the recliner lever.)
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"The last 5-10 years have dulled people to all of it and there is a feeling that private life doesn't matter," he said.

How do you spell "Clinton Era"?

17 posted on 10/09/2003 4:33:09 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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