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Editorial: California Crushes Liberals
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 10/07/03 | David Horowitz

Posted on 10/08/2003 1:27:37 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: corkoman
"I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value. I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!"

I would like to see our new big tent Republican Party to continually tout personal responsibility rather than tilting at the windmill or trying to legislate personal responsibility.
21 posted on 10/08/2003 3:38:35 AM PDT by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: corkoman
Society must grant me sovereign control over my mind and body so that I may introduce substances into my mind and body that impair my ability to control my mind and body as I participate in society?

I demand control of myself to lose control of myself?

I wanna bunch of people like that on the freeway with me! Sure!

Phew!

22 posted on 10/08/2003 3:55:29 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: backtothestreets
It seems the message the Democrats deliver is "There are people with lots of money, and if you vote for me, I'll give you some of it".

I'd phrase it "If you vote for me, I'll rob them at gunpoint and give you some of the loot" but I agree with the meaning of what you said.

The other thing is now that Ahnold is gov. let's look for conservative things getting done, like cutting the bloated state budget, ending the pandering to illegal immigrants, rolling back anti-business and anti-freedom legislation. My prediction is that they won't get done, and it will be tax and spend as usual, but I hope I'm wrong on this.

24 posted on 10/08/2003 4:37:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: kattracks
It would be a mistake for the Republicans to think that Arnold has shown a magic formula which can be replicated elsewhere.

Schwarzenegger had some unique characteristics which helped him overcome things.

There is only one Terminator.

25 posted on 10/08/2003 4:41:29 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: kattracks
Bump! Thanks for posting this! Horowitz was wrong about one thing, though, when he bought into the "Cruz as the first Latino governor" crap without remembering Romualdo Pacheco, a REPUBLICAN, was the first Latino governor, 120 years ago!
26 posted on 10/08/2003 5:09:12 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Strong Republican women can do ANYTHING they want to!)
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To: kattracks
David, I hope you're right.

"The big losers in this election were California liberals..."

Yes, this is the most important significance of the earthquake--a repudiation of the irresponsible, destructive, self-serving policies of the Democrat politicians and their supporters. The Democrat Party has become the party of socialism, and, if California voters have had an epiphany, it is the realization that socialism requires a powerful, oppressive, tyrranical government and inevitably undermines the economy and leads to economic disaster.

"...the politics of personal destruction..."

Yes, it was so blatant that only those in hard-core denial could possibly not see it (but: "Never underestimate the power of denial." ~American Beauty).

"...the myth that the press is not in bed with the Democrats..."

Ditto.

...and the image of Republicans as mean-spirited morality police."

Right. The Republican Party has a strong libertarian current. The Republican Party is the party of individual freedom.

"thirty percent of Hispanics...voted for the Republican"

Hispanics tend to be good citizens. They are welcome in the U.S. The problem is not Hispanics. The problem is that we should either enforce immigration laws or change them. In fact, this can be said of all laws.

27 posted on 10/08/2003 6:08:34 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The American Heartland--the Spirit of Flight 93)
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To: William McKinley
"Magic formula"--well, maybe he does have it, and maybe it doesn't have as much to do with the policies per se as it does with how he campaigned. If any message was "sent" to the dems, I think it might be that people have had quite enough of the Clinton-style mudslinging politics. I'm not a Californian, but from where I sat, I don't recall seeing any of that from Ahnold's camp.

I did watch several people from Davis' camp throwing tantrums and threatening recalls and court challenges of their own. My suspicion is that if they do, they'll be driving more nails into the dem coffins nationwide.

28 posted on 10/08/2003 6:13:00 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious
I agree.
29 posted on 10/08/2003 6:14:08 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Savage Beast
I would bet the so-called hispanic vote was quite split ---- there are immigrant hispanics and non-immigrant hispanics.
30 posted on 10/08/2003 6:14:13 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: goldstategop
from his mouth to...
31 posted on 10/08/2003 6:17:46 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Tempest
I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!

It's hard, maybe impossible, to find anyone in office today who is actively trying to remove the government from our personal lives. On the contrary most "conservatives" want to have the government dictate every phase of your personal life. Slight variations from the socialists/democrats.

32 posted on 10/08/2003 6:18:36 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: kattracks
A charismatic Republican candidate who embodies the big tent aspirations of the Republican center but resonates with its conservative base can point the way to a Republican governing majority for the foreseeable American future. And that’s something to think about.

A Rudy Giuliani presidential run in '08?

33 posted on 10/08/2003 6:27:44 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Tempest
I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value.

I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!

I think you're confusing conservative with libertarian (and I speak as someone who generally agrees with the libertarian position.)

34 posted on 10/08/2003 6:29:30 AM PDT by aristeides
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Re: conservatives and bedrooms.

IMO the vast majority of conservatives are against taking bedrooms into public -- and do not advocate putting the public into bedrooms.

For example, teaching "tolerance of alternate life styles" to children is opposed. Advocating gay this and gay that is very, very old. We have laws for ordinary citizens -- must we kowtow and give special privileges to one tiny group?

I am happy to see Dufus gone and the 2,700 arrogant leftist puke hangers-on who will be filing for unemployment soon are also a welcomed sight.

What I don't want to see is fat drunk Ted "I can kill and you can't, I am a" Kennedy here in Sacramento advising Gov. Schwarzenegger. What I do want to see immediately is eliminating the car tax -- it's done its duty of helping get rid of Dufus now get rid of it.

IMO, this election shoots down the idea that Republicans here must be liberal to win. BS, true that McClintock did not win against Schwarzenegger, few could, but look at the turn out. There were enough people turned on to come out and overcome the big city voters. It was clearly a Republican v. Democrat race. Normally when it's Twiddle Dee v. Twiddle Dum much of the real California stays home.

Oh, and thanks LA Times! You opended the eyes of much of the real California!

35 posted on 10/08/2003 6:31:55 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: kattracks
Come on. Everyone knows this was a big loss for Bush.
36 posted on 10/08/2003 6:38:16 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Tempest
I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!

I draw a distinction between Federal GoV't and State gov't where the latter should be allowed to fashion laws regarding these things and the Federal Gov't shall not.

37 posted on 10/08/2003 6:40:10 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: sourcery
The only way to change things is to change the majority opinion.

Well said, except you will find that many here simply believe that if the guy is charasmatic and persuasive enough he can sway the majority single handed by running 15 sec TV spots and having enough yard signs.

38 posted on 10/08/2003 6:42:50 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: kattracks
Mulholland told Fox this has the makings of a catastophie for the Republicans. Britt Hume asked him if he meant the fact that 60% of the votes went Republican in a heavy Rat state = trouble for Bush?

"Yes" . Here's one dilusional dude.

39 posted on 10/08/2003 6:46:51 AM PDT by Swanks
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To: kattracks
CONCLUSIONS CAN BE DRAWN FROM THE CALIFORNIA RECALL ELECTION:

1) The Democrat Party has been steadily imploding. The withering on the vine of the Democrat Party can be traced to the Congressional elections of 1994 - no wonder that hated Newt Gingrich.

2) Republicans got about 3 out of every 5 votes in a very liberal California and the tax and spend Democrat Davis was booted from office by a massive turnout of voters.

3) Take a look at the Democrat Presidential candidates, could there be a weaker field? I don't think so.

4) HOPEFULLY the GOP Senate will see this obvious trend and get tough on the foolish Democrats and their silly obstructionist tactics. Republicans should now be emboldened and they should govern like conservative Republicans.

5) President Bush is doing a fine job, he'll handily win re-election, he can be comfortable in pushing his conservative programs and he should definately fight hard to put conservative judges on the Supreme Court to fill any upcoming vacancies.

40 posted on 10/08/2003 6:48:24 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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