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Startling Study Says People May Be Born Gay
HealthDayNews ^ | October 6, 2003 | Amanda Gardner

Posted on 10/06/2003 4:07:01 PM PDT by AntiGuv

MONDAY, Oct. 6 (HealthDayNews) -- The origins of sexual orientation may be evident in the blink of an eye.

In what is the first study to show an apparent link between a non-learned trait and sexual orientation, British researchers have discovered the way peoples' eyes respond to sudden loud noises may signal differences between heterosexual and homosexual men and women that were developed before birth.

The authors, whose study appears in the October issue of Behavioral Neuroscience, say about 4 percent of men and 3 percent of women are gay. Scientists have long sought to determine whether sexuality is learned or biological.

"We have several decades of research which suggests rather strongly that human sexual orientation is to some degree biologically determined," says study author Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in the School of Psychology at the University of East London. "The problem with those types of studies is that we can't disentangle the effects of learning."

The question then became, "What kind of task could be used that is not influenced by learning or socialization?" The answer came in human startle responses, which are involuntary and instinctual.

Specifically, Rahman and his colleagues decided to use pre-pulse inhibition (PPI). When humans hear a sudden noise, they respond by blinking. If that loud noise is preceded by a quieter noise (the pre-pulse), the response to the second, loud noise is weaker. In other words, it is inhibited.

The researchers compared responses to a loud noise both alone and after a quieter noise to see what the degree of inhibition was. Participants were 59 gay and straight men and women.

In the heterosexual women, the PPI averaged 13 percent and, in heterosexual men, 40 percent.

Lesbians, however, had a PPI of 33 percent, closer to the straight-man end of the spectrum, while gay men averaged 32 percent, slightly lower than that of straight men but not statistically significant.

The findings are consistent with other studies, which have found that certain traits in lesbians are highly "masculinized," while the same traits in gay men are almost the same as in straight men.

While it's difficult to make generalizations about gay behavior on the basis of these findings (for example, "all gay male thinking is like that of women"), it is possible to build a case for the origins of sexuality, the authors say.

"On the basis of these results and in conjunction with the bulk of the literature in the last three decades or so, the evidence points to some prenatal factor or factors [in determining sexual preference]," Rahman says.

The findings could have implications for a number of social issues.

"Actual sexual orientation and sex-related research is now being accepted as a legitimate national investment in terms of research," Rahman says. "We have problems with STDs [sexually transmitted diseases]. Understanding sexual behavior is clearly important to that."

The findings may also help illuminate sex differences in mental health issues. "Although homosexuality per se is not related to psychiatric problems, on those occasions that gays and lesbians do present with psychiatric problems, they often show disorders that are typical of the opposite sex," Rahman says. Gay men, for example, may be more likely to suffer depression, anxiety and eating disorders than their straight counterparts, while lesbians may be more vulnerable to substance abuse than heterosexual women.

"Maybe having an understanding of brain basis of sexual orientation in healthy individuals may give us some clues in what is going wrong in the brain circuitry underlying certain psychiatric problems," Rahman says. "In the future, we may be able to tailor treatments more specifically."

It's important not to draw too many generalizations. "It's not that the gay brain is like the heterosexual brain of the opposite sex. It seems to be a mosaic of male and female typical traits," Rahman says. "Because we're looking at humans, thing are always more complicated that you would expect."


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81 posted on 10/06/2003 8:41:05 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: LPM1888
Homosexuals are recruited.
82 posted on 10/06/2003 8:42:13 PM PDT by Republic
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
I know gay men too and I don't find that "girly" actions are prevelant....

wasn't there a study that actually showed that gay men typically have higher testosterone levels than straight men....

in fact, some very brutal and authoritarian type men are homosexual....

83 posted on 10/06/2003 8:44:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: CodeMonkey
The former is completely unnatural to a biologically heterosexual man.

All human beings are biologically heterosexual. It is the nature of the beast.

84 posted on 10/06/2003 9:00:25 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: LPM1888
I am firmly convinced that genetics is a major factor in sexual determination.

Many folks hold to your position. The experts disagree, even pro-gay experts have admitted environment is the major factor in determining homosexualty.

85 posted on 10/06/2003 9:00:57 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Republic
Homosexuals are recruited.

Indeed. They tried to recruit me for years, offering me expensive gifts such as cars, watches, cruises, stereo systems and many other items. "Just try it once", they pleaded. "Just let me see it," others said.

Telling them "I'm not even remotely interested" didn't stop 'em. Homosexuals recruit, no doubt about it.

86 posted on 10/06/2003 9:14:52 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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LOL-truly funny, but alas, if only it were that obvious, maybe in the case of really needy little ones, it is, dunno.

From the stories if read from those who undertook the journey to drop SSAD (same sex addiction disorder) from their lives, it is a far more insidious, gruesome type of bribery.

Most follow along these lines-predatory homosexuals, like many of us, can sense when someone, especially a child, is lonesome, in need of friendship and care, and hungry for approval. Enter the homosexual on the make-say a boy scout leader or predatory homosexual priest...the wooing begins. With care (translated love with a purpose-the purpose being a fine orgasm at some point down the road) the homosexual engages the trust and friendship of the target. After the molestation is complete-the most COMMON term other than threats regarding silence is the horror of the child hearing 'IF YOU WERE NOT A HOMOSEXUAL THIS COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED'

And another life is ruined...another little one becomes sucked up into the wave of homosexual degradation-possibly for life. Because pleasure is pleasure, and the guilt and confusion runs deep, and the psychotic homosexuals who recruit move on to the next desirable, prepubescent target.....hungering for the little body so ripe for abuse. But it is the mind they crush that, in the end, is the most devastating.

Bribery-yeah. But bribery for something that leaves the target devastated, often, for life.

87 posted on 10/06/2003 9:28:33 PM PDT by Republic
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To: AntiGuv
Once again they have assumed causality when it is not necessarily apparent.

I have no doubt in my mind that participation in homosexual behavior has a physiological and neurologicaly impact. It is quite likely that those changes will be
discovered in the brain and in neurological responses.

This disease, whether learned or congenital can still be cured through treatment.
88 posted on 10/06/2003 9:29:53 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: cavtrooper21
No.

Homosexuals propogate by training your children into their ways.

Classic brainwashing techniques are frequently used. Children who already have low self-esteem are the easiest to convert. It is a typical practice to bring a child to physiological ejaculation and proclaim to the innocent that it would not have happened had they not already been homosexual.

They won't go extinct, they will destroy families.
89 posted on 10/06/2003 9:32:35 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: CodeMonkey
Yes, I have stopped to ask. I pursued the answers, and I've found them.

My prior post explains, in an over-simplified manner how it works.

A mentor is not always required, however, without a mentor, the sufferer of this neurosis or congenital disease will usually pursue other forms of sexual abuse and substance addiction.
90 posted on 10/06/2003 9:35:27 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Temple Drake
Good point. Another is that even IF (a big if) they found that homosexual's brains were different from normal brains, who is to say that the brains didn't get that way because of their activities? Just like when archeologists or forensics guys find skeletons, they can sometimes tell what the previous inhabitant did - archers' thumbs and hands developed in a certain way, etc.

Also this:

"Although homosexuality per se is not related to psychiatric problems, on those occasions that gays and lesbians do present with psychiatric problems, they often show disorders that are typical of the opposite sex,"

Shows right there that the researcher is completely biased on the homo-promotion side. There is much evidence showing not only that SSAD *is* an emotional and mental disorder itself, as well as evidence that a very larger proportion of homosexuals have mental and emotional problems than the general population.

91 posted on 10/06/2003 9:36:03 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: LPM1888
You are firmly convinced because of two family members. Impressive logic and reasoning!!!

I wonder if you have read any of the many links available on FR about the subject?
92 posted on 10/06/2003 9:39:06 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
It's better than questioning "Why". Usually, this sort of behavior, if it occurs without a "mentor", is the result of sexual molestation or physical abuse.

I don't blame him for refusing to ask "Why". The answer is to horrifying for most families.
93 posted on 10/06/2003 9:42:59 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Some people are born gay.

Your saying it is so doesn't make it so.

I don't see why is so hard to accept.

It's impossible to accept because it isn't true.

94 posted on 10/06/2003 9:43:51 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
as well as evidence that a very larger proportion of homosexuals have mental and emotional problems than the general population.

Maybe that's because they constantly have to deal with ignorant bigots who hate and mistreat them.

95 posted on 10/06/2003 9:45:46 PM PDT by WackyKat
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To: stubernx98
I agree, as homosexuality occurs in all species.

Promoters of the "gay" agenda say this all the time. But I haven't seen any research that shows that any animals *prefer* their own sex when the opposite sex is available.

Also, many animals eat their young, are never monogamous, live in herds, don't build houses, etc. So why does the fact (if it is a fact) that SOME animals screw members of the same sex occasionally have anything to do with whether SSAD is normal or not for humans?

Might as well ask if monogamy is normal or biological for humans. And some moral relativists have asked that, and decided it isn't. And that is just an excuse for promiscuity. Humans have something animals don't - conscience, and free will.

96 posted on 10/06/2003 9:49:25 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Republic
With care (translated love with a purpose-the purpose being a fine orgasm at some point down the road) the homosexual engages the trust and friendship of the target.

That's it exactly. With me it was mostly wealthy homosexuals who wanted to provide a place to live for a homeless teenager... in exchange for being their butty. It's the gifts, or the offering of the gifts I remember most. Sometimes it was drugs offered. It was usually somebody who wanted to act as an older brother or father figure, something I didn't really have at that time in my life and they knew it.

97 posted on 10/06/2003 9:50:14 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: WackyKat
They don't need "ignorant bigots who hate and mistreat them" to have a much higher proportion of mental and emotional disorders.

We all deal with ignorant bigots full of hatred and a desire to mistreat us.

How we deal with it is part of our makeup, our childhood and how our parents raised us. On all counts, homosexuality is a failed neurosis.

I'm not aware of many demographics who honestly feel persecuted when simply challenged or critized the way homosexuals do. Even other minorities react that way for political pressure without feeling an honest fear the way homosexuals do.
98 posted on 10/06/2003 9:52:36 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: pram
It never seems to fail, pram. When we start talking about the facts of homosexuality somebody has to mention bigotry, hate and mistreatment. I've never seen that in our threads here, but that won't stop somebody from bringing it up. It's just a smear tactic with nothing to support it.
99 posted on 10/06/2003 9:56:58 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: pram
But I haven't seen any research that shows that any animals *prefer* their own sex when the opposite sex is available.

That's key to the argument. It's too bad those who use the homosexuality in nature argument aren't as honest with the facts.

100 posted on 10/06/2003 9:59:27 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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