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Vote fraud becoming too easy
www.dailynews.com ^ | October 04, 2003 | By Joseph Honig

Posted on 10/05/2003 12:04:06 PM PDT by VU4G10

In some quarters of California, it can be harder to get a library book than vote for governor.

Possibly less fraud-laden, too.

For two days from now, I will arrive at the polls, cast a ballot and maybe check for hanging chads. If past performances run to form, kindly poll-watchers will never ask for a single piece of identification. They may smile and offer refreshments. They may wish me well. If there are few other voters, they may return to their knitting or novels.

But that is not the worst of it.

In a nation with a long and storied tradition of election fraud -- from New York's Boss Tweed to Chicago's Richard J. Daley -- we are still an honor-system democracy. Here in California -- with millions of illegal residents among us -- registrars require no proof of United States citizenship. No birth certificates or naturalization papers.

To leave the country, to gain a passport, you at least must prove you're a U.S. citizen. To vote on everyone's future, well, you are who you say you are.

Occasionally, from election to election, vigilant U.S. attorneys match immigration records to voting rolls, discovering foreign nationals among those casting ballots. Thus far, there have been too few alien voters to affect outcomes in California or anywhere else; results were certified.

In truth, we are a trusting nation. Cautious, too. Some 47 states, ours among them, allow registration when driver's licenses are issued. One hopes our illegal immigrants, now eligible for those licenses, will resist urges to become Americans prematurely.

(How far have we opened the door? Consider that Sept. 11's hijackers possessed licenses issued by New Jersey, Michigan, Virginia and Florida, potentially allowing them votes in the nation they wished to destroy.)

This is not to say, however, that California has not made significant strides against traditional election fraud. Until recent years, Golden State voting rolls had not been thoroughly purged of ineligibles for more than a decade. Through the nineties, there were "literally millions of inaccurate or wrongful registrations," in our state, according to Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist.

How bad was it? Simply put, residents who had died, left the state or received felony convictions remained voters in good standing. In Tulare County, for example, investigations revealed that 10 per cent of absentee voters were no longer legal residents. A half-dozen years ago, Sabato's research reported estimates of phony California registrations -- deadwood voters -- numbering more than 3 million out of approximately 14 million so-called eligibles.

There is, however, hope. Under former Secretary of State Bill Jones, computer cross-checking reportedly made significant strides in getting rid of flawed registrations. It couldn't have come too soon. For we live in a state where various county bureaucrats routinely failed to disclose death, criminal convictions or residence changes, allowing ineligibles to remain voters in good standing.

Regrettably, though, some potential problems just won't go away. From election to election, paid solicitors continue to add registrations to the rolls. They sometimes earn $10 a head and certainly can't verify citizenship. (Sabato's research showed a single San Diego precinct listed 30 verifiable legal aliens out of 313 voters.)

And in one notorious voter fraud case, Mario Aburto Martinez, the Mexican national who assassinated his country's 1994 presidential candidate, was on record as a San Pedro voter.

The fact remains that if you are a noncitizen, it may be easier to vote than rent a car.

Do we face clear and present dangers of phony, rigged electoral outcomes? The answer seems to be that in ultra-close contests -- where hundreds of votes may separate contenders -- results may be called into question. It's not so much a case of ballot box stuffing as one great, lingering doubt about citizenship.

For each time noncitizens are discovered playing California politics, the honor system loses its dignity.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: drivers; fraud; licences; vote; votefraud
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To: ex-Texan
Isn't it a crying shame what the rats are doing to this Country!

Nobody is going to convince me that algore won the popular vote in 2000!

21 posted on 10/05/2003 3:47:56 PM PDT by oldtimer (t)
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To: VU4G10

FReepers Against Voter Fraud

Great links to see how the Rats do it.

22 posted on 10/05/2003 3:50:18 PM PDT by truthandlife
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To: ex-Texan
I have a good buddy living in Californicated. He has changed jobs and plans to relocated to Nevada near Lake Tahoe. He will buy or build a new custom home. Moving will save him in excess of $ 45,000 a year in income taxes and tons of money in living expenses. His kids can go to safer schools and not have to deal with Mexifornia issues.

Half of Tahoe is in California...LOL. And I have a buddy in Oregon that says the liberals, tree huggers and endless rain in Oregon winters are turning him into a freaking alcoholic...

'FCalifornia! The state is hopelessly mired in debt and corruption. I say get out now, before real estate starts to fall in value (because it will as more and more high wage earners move away).

They have been saying that for years. Only so much prime land and existing homes to go around. Supply and demand. And the prices continue to inch up, even in bad economy. The realestate market is so bad here, people are getting offers ABOVE listed prices. LOL!

The trends population demographics are already being noted in the national press.

Yeah, welcome to Meximerica. Get used to it.

(I moved to Oregon from California after law school and living in Indiana. Had lived in CA for 33 years before law school. Looking back on all of that, Indiana was a great experience except for the weather.)

You mean the weather in Oregon is better than Indiana?

As far as Indiana goes, it's crawling with illegals. So much so Mexico just opened a brand new Mexican Consulate in downtown Indianapolis. And Oregon is loaded, I mean loaded with enviro freaks and other assorted x-hippy types.

Here's a recent article from Indiana. There are many more if you care to see them. Let me know.

ISP Stop Van Load Of Suspected Illegal Immigrants [And release them!] The Associated Press ^ | September 15, 2003 | The Associated Press

BEDFORD, INDIANA. -- A traffic stop in Lawrence County led to the arrests of 28 illegal immigrants from Mexico Saturday, police said.

The arrests occurred after an Indiana State Police trooper pulled over a van at the intersection of U.S. 50 and Indiana 446, according to police reports.

Police said the trooper discovered that the driver, 30-year-old Perfecco Gonzalez, was not licensed, then requested help from other officers when he found the back of the van filled with people.

Among the 28 were men, women and minors, said Agent Mark Summers of Indiana Immigration and Customs Enforcement. All but Gonzalez were taken into custody by state immigration officials and driven from the Lawrence County Jail to Indianapolis on Sunday.

Gonzalez remained in Lawrence County on a charge of driving without a license. He had previously been deported for being an illegal alien and was to be processed by immigration officials as soon as he was released from jail.

Immigration officials had not yet interviewed Gonzalez at length, Summers said. It was unclear who else might have been involved in bringing the van through Indiana. According to police reports, the van's passengers claimed they had traveled from Mexico to Colorado to pick potatoes and were then traveling to Kentucky to pick tomatoes. "Communications are very difficult -- they are either refusing to speak or are unable to," a state police dispatcher's log said.

The 28 arrests were believe to have been the most made at one time by Indiana immigration officials this year, Summers said.

After being driven to Indianapolis, the van's passengers were processed and issued legal documents giving each 30 days to leave the country before they are again in violation of law. They were released later Sunday. None had prior criminal convictions or had previously been in the country illegally, Summers said.

This is just one current article. Care to see more?

Hehehe. And you suggest people move to the Nevada desert? Check out this current article.

15 States License Illegals To Drive

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways.

While many of those states – Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia – have had such laws in place for some time, they have become increasingly scrutinized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, say analysts with the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Sorry about raining on your parade....

23 posted on 10/05/2003 4:21:52 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: ex-Texan
I say get out now, before real estate starts to fall in value (because it will as more and more high wage earners move away)

Sorry to disappoint you..

Orange County home sales jump

August was the busiest month in 15 years, helping to boost the median price to another record high.

By HANG NGUYEN The Orange County Register

Higher mortgage rates couldn't stop August from being the busiest month for local home sales in 15 years.

In Orange County, 5,511 homes were purchased last month, an 18 percent jump from August 2002. It's the biggest annual percentage increase since May 2002.

August's sales reflected decisions made in June and July. Average fixed- mortgage rates with a two-point fee crept up from a decades-low 4.9 percent in mid-June to 5.6 percent on July 31.

The strong sales activity helped boost the median home price to $435,000 – another record high. That's 2 percent higher than July and an 18 percent jump from a year ago.

Buyers partially deflected the higher price of loans by increasing the use of adjustable-rate loans to 47 percent of all deals in August, up from 38 percent in July.

Shoppers also bought 20 percent more resale condos than a year ago – the biggest annual jump since DataQuick started tracking in 1988.

"We're seeing many more people come into the market than leave the market" because of the higher rates, said DataQuick analyst John Karevoll. "That's probably a trend that will be with us for a few more months."

24 posted on 10/05/2003 5:00:43 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Peach
People should be required to have a picture ID in order to vote. It's not a difficult requirement.

How about requiring they show their California Driver's License... oh, right... never mind...

25 posted on 10/05/2003 5:01:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tag line extermination service, no tagline too long or too short. Low prices. Freepmail me for quote)
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To: VU4G10
Bookmarked.

Thank you.
26 posted on 10/05/2003 5:16:28 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
That is what I am talking about. Prices are at their PEAK right now. My buddy was running eleven western states for the holding company that owns Coldwell Banker and Century 21. He is an expert in real estate and has been for over thirty years. He just took an ever bigger job with the financial arm of a major auto manufacturer. He makes mega bucks.

California is going down hill from now on. Nevada is going to become the place to live in the next five years.

27 posted on 10/05/2003 5:24:49 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Read Sun Tzu: The Cold War Never Ended)
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To: ex-Texan
That is what I am talking about. Prices are at their PEAK right now.

How funny. I recall people saying that in the 70s, 80s 90s etc etc. LOL!

You like Nevada? Go for it.

28 posted on 10/05/2003 5:28:45 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: VU4G10
Don't worry. e-vote will be soon introduced to solve the problem (/sarcasm)
29 posted on 10/05/2003 5:35:51 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Peach; Miss Marple
The Vote Fraud Insanity if California is easily matched in at least 4 or 5 other states. Yet, the myth of Al Gore's 'Popular Victory' is never confronted. It now has grown into an accepted Urban Legend.

Without CA fraud, Feinstein and Boxer wouldn't be Senators, Jane Harman, and the faux-hispanic Sanchez would not be in Congress. Ms. Parra and quite a few others wouldn't be legislators. The list of others is long.

The Republicans offer NO, repeat None, Zilch, leadership on the issue. When Ashcroft, (very quietly)arranged straight elections in Maryland and Missouri, voilà, Republican victory.

Now, Mecha-Bustamante has all but admitted that he will be depending on vote fraud for his victory. Wonder where Ashcroft and Bush the Younger will be? When ais the DOJ going to demand clean votes in CA?

30 posted on 10/05/2003 5:53:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: nickcarraway
After terrorism, this is the most important issue we all face. If these people get back in power again, they will never give it up.
31 posted on 10/05/2003 6:07:31 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Swordmaker
People should be required to have a picture ID in order to vote.

Of course voters must be required to show ID when they vote, and that they be legally registered citizens. It shows how low we have sunk that we are even discussing it.

But precinct and multiple precinct live voting is only one locus of the massive frauds in at least in 5 states that almost made Al Gore President. The absentee ballot fraud is national in scope. This is where the dead are registered and how they vote. This is where illegals and felons of all kinds are registered and vote. This is where fictitious voters exist.

You would be sadly mistaken to imagine that these absentee ballots are only cast once. You would also be sadly mistaken that if you think this slick, largely computer-based corruption is all we have to worry about. THere are still plenty of good old-fashioned tricks the Democrats mastered in the days of Tammany Hall, and Mayor Daley in CHicago, which still serve them well today.Failure to take appropriate action on this national scandal truly marks the Republicans as the "Stupid Party."

32 posted on 10/05/2003 6:08:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Peach
Photo ID is required in some states, like mine.

It is considered oppressive and unfair in other states where illegals are a larger component of the population.
33 posted on 10/05/2003 7:05:01 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: VU4G10
Join Us…Your One Thread To All The California Recall News Threads!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

34 posted on 10/05/2003 7:47:22 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: sweetliberty
 

EPILOGUE: THE 9TH CIRCUIT RULING
(IMPEACHED EX- PREZ STUMPS FOR DAVIS
CLINTON PARADIGM PROVES INSTRUCTIVE FOR CALIFORNIA)

by Mia T, 9.14.03
Hamilton (or Madison) discussed the importance of wisdom and virtue in Federalist 57. "The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
(Contrast this with clinton, who recklessly, reflexively and feloniously subordinates the common good to his personal appetites.)

Mia T, THE OTHER NIXON


If Act I was a thinly veiled allegory about naked clintonism, then Act II is a parable about the plan for world domination by the Establishment, aged hippies in pinstripes all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

THE ALIENS


"This is WA-A-AY bigger than Gray Davis."

Cill clinton's essential solipsism prevents him from seeing the obvious: The clinton paradigm applicable to the California recall election is not, as the rapist demagogues, the danger of an "unconstitutional," "right-wing cabal" ouster of a despised head of state. Rather, it is the danger of not ousting a self-serving, inept defective who cavalierly trades America's national securiity for his own political viability.

Just as the clintons endangered America in order to retain power, Gray Davis is about to go against his own better judgment and give illegal aliens--including the terrorist subset-- a de facto ID-- a California driver's license.

This pernicious scheme is not only about leftist racebaiting of the increasingly significant Latino vote. It is about getting the illegal-alien vote of every stripe and recalls the best efforts of clinton vote fraud in the Golden State..

Clinton letter in English. Click for full size.

Clinton letter in Spanish. Click for full size.

 

Davis would be wise to exercise some caution here. The impeached ex-ersatz president is hardly supporting him. ("This is WA-A-AY bigger than Gray Davis.") For the clintons, the California recall election is no less than a proxy for their war with the Kennedys for the control of the Democrat Party.

EPILOGUE: THE 9TH CIRCUIT RULING

It is noteworthy that merely one day after clinton unblushingly trampled the venue (and the Constitution and Black self-determination), his -- (and, to be fair, Carter's) -- leftist political-hack judges on the infamously 180º-off-constitutional-course 9th Circuit made their ruling to postpone the recall, likely until the California DEMOCRAT presidential primary, a move that obviously skews the turnout to the left.

Because of the synchronicity, because of the brazenness, because of the balkanizing, because the ruling is an attempt to disenfranchise the right, because the ruling increases Davis' chances to prevail (and, therefore, clinton's apparent electoral effectualness), because, if Davis prevails, the clintons are strengthened and the Kennedys are weakened, because California control is necessary for clinton redux, and because this ruling at once sticks it to Bush, (his Bush v. Gore argument provides the equal-protection precedent), and stymies the Supremes, (would they really have the political courage to revisit this?), direct clinton involvement in this decision to cannot be ruled out.

ACLU BLUNDERBUSS OR BAIT AND SWITCH?

The ACLU argument , essentially a plea for affirmative action for minority voters, seems to turn not on the equipment per se, but on minority error when using the equipment. (I suspect that a controlled study of this voter error would indict the minority voters, not any specific equipment.)

The ACLU shot at the wrong target.
If the ACLU actually wanted to reduce error in minority districts,
it would fight the Democrat Party's despicable practice of
drag and drop...

 

 

 

35 posted on 10/05/2003 8:24:18 PM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: VU4G10
I would love to know what penalties exist for voter fraud, ANYWHERE in the United States!
36 posted on 10/06/2003 7:09:46 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: sweetliberty
Bump!
37 posted on 10/06/2003 11:23:22 AM PDT by windchime
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To: Peach
People should be required to have a picture ID in order to vote. It's not a difficult requirement.

***
You are exactly correct. You need a picture ID to get into some buildings nowadays. How hard can it be to request one at voting places?
38 posted on 10/06/2003 11:37:37 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Take only as directed.)
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To: sweetliberty
Thanks for the flag. Scary.
39 posted on 10/06/2003 11:38:09 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Take only as directed.)
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To: FITZ
I'm probably not as honest as you.
(((

I hope you are only kidding and above the Rats' tricks.
40 posted on 10/06/2003 11:39:29 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Take only as directed.)
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