LA Slimes: 4 More Women Go Public Against Schwarzenegger

LA Slimes ^ | 10-4-03 | LA Slimes

[DoughtyOne]

Half of McClintock's votes are already cast. I don't think you could pry the remainder away with a crowbar. Loyalty to Tom may come at a heavy price, but it's a done deal. No need to address the issue any longer as far as I'm concerned.

[DoughtyOne]

Hmmmm, where have I heard that before? ROTFL

Do ya think?

I'm all for it bud, but we've been saying the same thing non-stop for the last six to eight weeks. At this point the vote is basicly locked away. TOO LATE!

Tom has locked up 7-8% of his 15% already. You may be able to sway 1-2% of the remainder, but it's just not worth the insults and anger that will have to be expressed to get it.

If they want Tom, let them vote Tom. McClintock supporters can go in peace as far as I am concerned. They've done their bit and now we'll live with it.

[metalboy]

Hey, vhat do dey expect? Ahnold ist not a girly man.

[cebadams]

There is such a thing as situational ethics.

Really??? So when in Rome, do as the Romans do????

Situational ethics = moral relativism = everything wrong with the Dims. As far as Arnold for governor -- what changes when he wins?

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

McClintock Physician Says Candidate Has One-Inch Penis True? Of course not.

How do you know it's not true?

[Victoria Delsoul]

[What happens if there are 20 women on Sunday, and 30 women on Monday?]

We're talking about anonymous unsubstantiated and uncorroborated accusations. This is the Democrats last minute attempt to stop Arnold from winning. Duh!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[SteveH]

I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't forcast for sure. I could guess that if Arnold's behavior was chronic, any additional women coming forward so late would not help him. I think one premise of the Arnold defense on Friday was that there were a few, but not very many incidents. If so, that premise appears to be eroding.

[SteveH]

We're talking about anonymous unsubstantiated and uncorroborated accusations. This is the Democrats last minute attempt to stop Arnold from winning. Duh!

I am trying to see your point. All the women seem to have told someone at the time, and those people appear to have been contacted by the LA Times. I don't think anyone was into writing affidavits, but it does appear that Arnold stops just at the verge of something actionable, so firsthand witnesses and affidavits are understandably in short supply. If you are a woman and get hassled once or twice by a guy when you and he happen to be alone, what do you do? These women told their relatives, friends, and in some cases, colleagues or supervisors at the time, if the accounts by named people are true. I concede that it is barely conceivable that all these people were part of some nefarious left wing conspiracy, but by Ockam's Razor, the more likely explanation is the most probable explanation: Arnold is at best a boor when he is alone with an attractive woman. And sometimes, apparently, even when he is not alone. That goes to the character issue, which is valid when considering who to vote for. I don't like the LA Times timing, and I don't like their slant. But the allegations just don't seem outlandish, and in fact seem in line with rumors and other indicators that we have heard in the last couple of years. If you want to blame ME for Arnold's alleged boorish behavior, whatever, I can't stop you.

(Obligatory shrug.)

[SteveH]

I don't like the LA Times or its obvious leftist leaning. But I don't have an agenda. I just vote for who I think is best. I take info with a grain of salt, but the story does mention contemporary named confidences made. Those named confidences lend credibility to what is already a pattern of behavior. And Arnold today is better of decrying his pattern of behavior rather than denying and not remembering. Helping a change of attitude seems to be what motivates at least some of the women coming forward. They were relatively helpless, apparently, when Arnold took advantage of them. He should have had more foresight and respect for them, in retrospect, I think. I always try to consider the underdog with sympathy-- is that wrong?

Now, I do comment here. I voice my opinion. Do you have a big problem with that?

[AlbionGirl]

Excellent post, every voter should be as practical and thoughtful as you!

[SteveH]

Played right, this is a good time to get McClintock supporters to vote for Arnold. Blanket insults are not the right way. Quite a few McClintock supporters on this site are moving your direction - why put up roadblocks?

One would think... (shrug)

[SteveH]

Excellent post, ...

Except for the rare misspelling...

;-)

[Victoria Delsoul]

Arnold himself has said that he has behaved badly sometimes and that he was sorry if he had offended anyone. So there is no question that something he did might have been wrong or misconstrued. Yet, no one told him to stop, there has been no complaints or lawsuits and all we have now is hearsay by Davis supporters. I don't know about you, but I think Hollywood actors and actresses aren't saints, and I believe someone is innocent until proven guilty. Unless, the evidence is so strikingly clear that I would know there is no chance for that individual to be innocent, which of course is not the case here. Let's also note, that Arnold hasn't been accused of rape or sexual misconduct even though the media and the Rats are trying to portray him that way, but he's been accused of groping.

These women told their relatives, friends, and in some cases, colleagues or supervisors at the time, if the accounts by named people are true.

You don't know if that's true.

If you are a woman and get hassled once or twice by a guy when you and he happen to be alone, what do you do?

I would tell him to stop and that I don't appreciate what he is doing. Arnold has said that no one ever told him or complained about it.

And regarding character, here is a link on Davis character and his supporters.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks folks. Rare? I'm doing better... :-)

[laredo44]

Really???

Yes really. Do you behave the same way when watching a football game with your buddies as you do when you're in church?

[cebadams]

Do you behave the same way when watching a football game with your buddies as you do when you're in church?

I'd like to think that I apply the same personal ethics in both situations.

Behaving the same way and ethics are two different things and you were definity commenting on situational ethics not behavior. For instance, while watching football I might be loud while at church I might be quiet -- that's behavior and that certainly changes somewhat based on the surrounding. But that's not ethics. In both situation I will be truthful, I will have respect for others present, I will not take advantage of others, I will maintain self-control, etc.

When it's time to choose a candidate for any office, the only worthwhile measure is your perception of the candidates ethics; i.e., his character.

Groping certainly doesn't say a lot about Arnold's ethics -- it demonstrates a certain degreee of lack of self control. On a positive note, at least he can say these cases happened when he was younger and immature; i.e., when he should have known better. And he apologized for that very reason.

[cebadams]

Arnold has said that no one ever told him or complained about it.

So in other words, Arnold has to be told by others when he might be offensive? You seem to be suggesting that any behavior is ok as long as the group you are with is doing it.

My take is that is exactly what happened. That there is a certain promiscuity within the movie crowd and that behavior that would be offensive almost everywhere else is viewed as normal to them. And that's why the voters in California will give him a pass on these alligations.

But if this behavior continues into the governors office -- better watch out.

[Victoria Delsoul]

So in other words, Arnold has to be told by others when he might be offensive? You seem to be suggesting that any behavior is ok as long as the group you are with is doing it.

Before giving sanctimonious speeches, it is a good idea to find out the facts first. It is a better idea to gather corroborating and substantiating evidence so we can proceed to hang our adversary and not before. So let me give you some of the facts.

Hopefully, once Davis is out, we might be able to find out the truth of Davis' dirty campaign. Not that this will exonerate Arnold 100%, because as he said, he has behaved badly sometimes in some of those rowdy movie sets for which he has apologized.

2000 Anna Richardson

After an interview on her British TV show, he asked her if her breasts were real, and circled her left nipple with his finger.

Sheryl Main, who was present, says this did not happen. She says Richardson went up after the interview cupped her breasts and asked Arnold what he thought of them. She then sat on his lap, at which point Arnold's people immediately escorted her from the room.

2000 Anonymous

Pinned her to his chest and swatted her butt 5-6 times in studio during "Sixth Day" post-production

Arnold specifically denied this incident.

1986 Tamee Smith

Followed her into bathroom and grabbed her breast on set of "Predator"

Arnold specifically denied this incident

1979 Elizabeth Rothner

Lifted her sweatshear at a Santa Monica Bar exposing her bare breasts to crowd

Arnold specifically denied this incident

1988 Linnea Harwell

Undressed in his own trailer on the set of "Twins", sometimes she would walk in and he would be naked.

Arnold specifically denied this incident

1988 Carla Baron

He and his body double on "Twins" created a "Carla Sandwich", and he french kissed her. She slapped him, and told him not to do it again. Schwarzenegger immediately apologized and didn't give her any more trouble on the set, she said.

Arnold specifically denied this incident

In case you are interested, here is the link

[ladyinred]

Your post is just great! I feel the same way! They are making me crazy!