McClintock Campaigns In San Diego

NBC SAn Diego ^ | Oct. 4, 2003 | NBC San Diego

[FairOpinion]

McClintock said the allegations against Arnold Schwarzenegger should be treated with skepticism. If the allegations prove to be true, McClintock said Schwarzenegger should get out of the race.

McClintock said he will not drop out of the race despite the fact some believe he is committing political suicide. "I've seen all of the preliminary threats," he said. "'If you don't get out of the race, we'll end your political career.' My response is, I don't negotiate with terrorists."

[fqued]

a couple points to consider:

1) as you well know, as a supporter of Tom, the majority vote doesn't necessarily determine truth. It obviously has meaning, but you will recognize its fundamental weakness as any argument.

2) The "fundamental lawlessness" of the illegal alien is rather unfair. that is why I so carefully pointed out that the breaking of immigration laws is NOT "mala in se" but "mala prohibita". The worst you can say is that the illegal alien broke some laws that are not immoral in and of themselves, and, I do believe, most of us have done that.
I therefore utterly reject this characterization.

[Sabertooth]

1) as you well know, as a supporter of Tom, the majority vote doesn't necessarily determine truth. It obviously has meaning, but you will recognize its fundamental weakness as any argument.

I wasn't using the majority to determine the truth of the argument, I was using it to show the pragmatic political deficiencies of your position.

The truth of your argument is undermined by its own internal inconsistencies and the reality that it's been tried in the past and has failed.

The "fundamental lawlessness" of the illegal alien is rather unfair.

Only because it's rather true, and undermines every argument in favor of Illegals.

The worst you can say is that the illegal alien broke some laws that are not immoral in and of themselves, and, I do believe, most of us have done that.

Laws are extensions of morality, and it is immoral to break the law.

It is also moral for nation-states to maintain the integrity of their borders and enforce their immigration laws against foreigners as they see fit.

If you hold to the contrary, then to carry your position to its logical conclusion, there are about 5 billion people in the world who should be let into our country if they so desire.

There is no such thing as "partially open borders."

I therefore utterly reject this characterization.

Fair enough. Just understand that you're in the vast minority, and if enough Republican politicians feel as you do, the GOP is going to lose elections unnecessarily.

[Jerez2]

I think it's a good time to WAIT AND SEE.
I am going to put off voting until the last moment.
We are under attack by the Dims.
Bush, Limbaugh, Arnold... Tom.
I will vote for whichever Republican I can help most with my vote.
Sincerely, California Republican Voter Jerez2

[The Old Hoosier]

You are trying to terrorize everyone with "Gov. Bustamante," which ain't gonna happen. In a sense, the word fits.

Time to vote your conscience, California. Save the national GOP from the liberals.

[b9]

"I will vote for whichever Republican I can help most with my vote. "

If every voter had your attitude, we would not have a divided party.

[Roscoe]

However, calling the snivelling snot-nosed weasels who daily threaten to deep-six his political career "terrorists" needlessly aggrandizes their motives. They are two-bit thugs.

At most.

[TomasUSMC]

No sign of intelligent life here, Scotty. Beam me up!

[CARepubGal]

Umm NBCChannel7 is a TV station. The San Diego Union Tribune is the paper. And the UT article has not been released. Nice try though.

[strela]

Regarding efforts by Republicans to persuade McC to withdraw from the race, his response: "My response is, I don't negotiate with terrorists."

+ =

... and the Master Politician wins even more hearts and minds.

[Jorge]

Hmm...if they're threatening to end his political career for being political, then they are indeed terrorists...

One more example of how some attempt to expand the definition of "terrorist" to include anyone who opposes them in any manner.
Incredible.

[backtothestreets]

1) as you well know, as a supporter of Tom, the majority vote doesn't necessarily determine truth. It obviously has meaning, but you will recognize its fundamental weakness as any argument.

Excellent point! No better proof than our American Revolution. Fewer then 10% of the colonists supported the effort. The vast majority remained neutral (either fearful or waiting to see who won) or were loyalists.

"I've seen all of the preliminary threats," he said. "'If you don't get out of the race, we'll end your political career.' My response is, I don't negotiate with terrorists."

The word "terrorists" is over used. I prefer the term belligerents or antagonists. Our society is filled with them and sadly they are from the whole political spectrum, and every walk of life.  One thing is certain.  Tom McClintock is serving a greater purpose than the people making these threats.  He is also right to NEVER COWL IN THE FACE OF THREATS!

[TomasUSMC]

Nobody is calling the GOP terrorist.
For ages, only those who kill the innocent, have been called terrorist.
Only if one where to consider the killing of 3000 unborn babies everyday the equivilant to killing the innocent could there be even the slightest possibility of ....
and then one would have to advocate the continuation of such barbarism....to be accused of....
and then only if the reason the killing of 3000 unborn babies everyday was to accomplish some sort of coercion could anyone begin to say ...

[ServesURight]

You're totally a brainwashed imbecile. Why are you even posting here on FR? This is a CONSERVATIVE forum, not a RINO, liberal Republican one.

[Writesider]

Jorge says:
"One more example of how some attempt to expand the definition of "terrorist" to include anyone who opposes them in any manner.
Incredible."

ter·ror·ism:
1: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.

ter·ror:
1: a state of intense fear 2: one that inspires fear 3: a cause of anxiety

So Jorge, I'm curious, what expansion of the definition of terrorism are you referring?

[christynsoldier]

unfortunately, Roscoe, Tom may be vulnerable since the
new District will include Sup Rogers in Santa Barbara
where as a millionaire the libs like winery king Firestone is pushing her to run against Tom in the primary. I will
no longer be in Tom's district and there is a lot of
liberal money in SB Co. The general will also be tougher
in the new district, so Tom will need a lot of help...

unless we make him Gov first!

[MeekOneGOP]

I shudder to think what he would do as governor, if he doesn't get his way.

Man, I tell. It really makes you wonder about him, doesn't it ?

Just 51 hours and the polls open in CA. Thanks for the post and ping !!

[Jorge]

So Jorge, I'm curious, what expansion of the definition of terrorism are you referring?

Go back and read my post again. Slower this time.
I said "terrorists".

McClintock called Republicans who warned that he was risking his political career "terrorists".

You consider this normal and acceptable use of the term "terrorists"?

I call it an expansion of the definition of terrorism that borders on drama queen hysteria.

[Writesider]

LOL..."terrorists" vs "terrorism" is a distinction, without a difference. And now, it would seem as though you are suggesting Tom McClintock is Gay...referring to his use of the word terrorists as: "drama queen hysteria".

The tediously inconveneient fact, Jorge, is the word terrorist is an apt description for those who would choose to terrorize somebody for exercising their God given right to pursue happiness. McClintock has every right, in the world, to be in this race and quite frankly, the more we learn abour Der Arnold, with each passing news cycle, I thank God he is in the race, so those desiring a flight to quality have somewhere to go, besides down.

[Robert Drobot]

A threat to destroy a man is a terrorist act. Coming from a Rino is worst than despicable. It is an insult to our free election process.

You write that Tom said this twice?

I say, God bless 'em.

[Robert Drobot]

"Behind the scenes Republican leaders were trying to persuade him, to NEGOTIATE with him, clearly promising him a job in the Arnold administration, their support for other offices (Senate?) etc."

I read your comment as coming from one who has threatened to terminate Tom McClintock if he doesn't meet your demands.

'Let's make 'em an offer he can't refuse!'

The difference between a gangland threat and a terrorist threat?

There ain't none, pal. You're backing the wrong horse, for all the wrong reasons.