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I think I am being SICK (Islamists in Germany)

Posted on 10/02/2003 1:34:51 PM PDT by anotherGerman

I don´t know what to write and how to write it, I am still SO upset. I have just been watching a political magazine on German television ("panorama" on ARD), and what I have seen makes me wanna puke.

We have allowed Islamists here to build Islamic schools, where Muslims can go instead of attending German schools. In these schools they teach 8 classes of Religion, 6 of Arabic and ONE (!!!) of German each week. No need for integration here... Of course, they preach "jihad", and by no means the sugar-coated one. "Train your children in throwing javelins, swimming and fighting, so they can fight the west." WTF?!!?!?? WHY ON HEAVEN´S EARTH DO WE ALLOW THIS!?!?!?!?? Sorry about my wording but I am still SO upset. Then they showed an essay by an 11yo Turkish boy who attends on of these schools. It read sth. like "I wanna be a terrorist. I wanna be like Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden is great, he should destroy the Trade Center again and kill President Bush. I want to destroy the entire world" How have we gotten THIS easy on extremists??? Oh, you may now have a guess who is financing these schools. Saudia Arabia.

If it was up to me, I would ship all of this Islamist scum to Guantanamo this instant, never mind their "rights".

If you understand German, you might want to check out panorama´s website.

http://www.ndrtv.de/panorama/ (main site)

Here is a babelfish translation of the info on their website (I know it´s not very good):

PANORAMA: Bonn new center of radical Islamics

State protection observes "king Fahd academy" in Bonn bath Godesberg Imam of the school demands readiness for the holy war

German security authorities observe for some time an increased influx of radical Islamics to Bonn. Point of attraction for many is - searches of the pool of broadcasting corporations magazine PANORAMA resulted in - obviously the "king Fahd academy" in Bonn quarters the Bad Godesberg. In Bonn area gave, confirms it to "searches due to landspreading determinations" Harry Kolbe of the Bonn police in relation to PANORAMA. The persons concerned would stand in the suspicion to have contacts to al-Kaida.

After realizations of the security authorities made of Saudi Arabia "king Fahd academy" financed operates in its building in Bonn bath Godesberg a mosque and a school. In originally only the school planned for diplomat children after panorama searches 465 pupils are informed, of it in the meantime 195 with German nationality. Although the attendance of the school to today the German compulsory schooling fulfills, German instructional contents hardly play a role. Thus becomes for example in the 7. Class only one lesson German in a scholarly manner, but however 6 hours of Arab and 8 hours of religion.

Also contents publicised in the academy confirm the fears of the security authorities after panorama searches. Thus the Imam in that preached the school to attached mosque with the last prayerprayer prayer on 26 September in the presence of panorama reporters: "you must teach to your children the javelin (...), thus it (...) become strong - over then to be ready for the Dschihad!". And further: "the Muslims must submit and all other humans to the will Allahs."

The responsible education office of the district government Cologne considers - confronted by PANORAMA with these searches - the locking of the school: "we will very strictly examine that and explained the appropriate measures meet", Robert Becker of the education office in relation to PANORAMA.

Radical Islamics operate also in other German cities schools and boardings school. Here it concerns to estimate of the Marburger Islamwissenschaftlerin Professor Ursula reeling he bar man a "cadre formation". The school leaver should be inserted to introduce obviously later into the "Islamic Ghettos of German large cities", in order to promote the Islamism there and the Scharia, the Islamic juridical system.

A 11-year old Turkish pupil of such a boarding school wrote in an essay, the PANORAMA is present: "I would like to have terror. I would like to be gladly with Usame am shop. Usame is shop is Word centers still times to ash to put (...) I would like the whole world to destroy."

And here some more from their website.

They must study the Koran , Arab learn and to Allah be subjected. That is the everyday life for more than 70,000 Muslim children in Germany. Their parents send it on the Koran schools, so that they are educated strictly traditionally after the Islam. German stands only once in the week on the time table. Instead the Imam preaches, the holy war to the Dschihad against the infidels. Thus the pupils grow up in partitioned, Islamic boardings school.

In the middle in Germany Muslims teach hate against the west and against the democracy. If the children leave the Koran schools, most of them cannot be integrated long no more. Thus they live in Islamic Ghettos and find no job and who nothing becomes, is susceptible to the ideas of terrorists. Easy prey for radical Muslims.

I AM SICK OF THIS


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaedagermany; deutschland
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To: quidnunc
See, this is what I was talking about... some people just don´t know what they are talking about, and yes, I am looking at you.

Schröder did not run anti-American, he ran anti-WAR, BIG difference, since WW2 Germany is much too pacifist in my book. He owes his election to pacifism and the floodings in East Germany which gave him opportunity to shine in crisis management.

I did not come whining to you. I am around here for some time now and wanted to share my thoughts on this. I nowhere called for US help, I said "How can WE have let this happen".
21 posted on 10/02/2003 2:27:32 PM PDT by anotherGerman
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To: Brandon_the_evil_waspy_male
Yes, but unfortunately some people will never learn. I have been saying the very things you said for quite some time now, but it get´s you labeled a neo-Nazi sometimes...
22 posted on 10/02/2003 2:28:52 PM PDT by anotherGerman
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To: anotherGerman
That's multiculturalism. The teaching that all non-Western cultures and values are superior. Non whites don't need to feel any guilt --- no matter what their ancestors did but every white must feel guilty for things that happened generations before he was born.
23 posted on 10/02/2003 2:30:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: anotherGerman
I can't imagine most Germans are happy with hordes of Muslims in your country, just like most Americans aren't happy with hordes of Muslims and illegal aliens in our country.

Getting the politicians to do something about it is another matter, though, and a very difficult one. They usually only seriously listen to Liberals, even if they are conservative.

Maybe after the next 9-11...?

24 posted on 10/02/2003 2:31:19 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Calpernia
bump for later.
25 posted on 10/02/2003 2:34:55 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: anotherGerman

Now you have some idea of what demonic Islam is doing to America too !!!

The most heinous and barbaric crime in this world would be to stop an individual from thinking freely. And when such a crime is "legalised" in the form of a "religion," one can easily imagine how disastrous it can be.

Islam is such a religion !!!

Islam imposes a threat to the whole world ... which is far worse than deforestation, nuclear destruction or AIDS. It is an insidious, devilish disease creeping into the veins of the world. Every individual must realize the destructive and evil nature of this religion, for it eats away at the very foundation of humanity, which is ...

an individual's ability to think individually and act accordingly !!!

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26 posted on 10/02/2003 2:35:56 PM PDT by GeekDejure
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To: anotherGerman
It's a problem much of Europe is dealing with. How do you determine "what is a German"? And "what are German values"? There will be a breaking point soon enough, where traditional Western values (those that really define both Europe and America) will have to be defended... or lost altogether. Tolerance is not a one-way street, and tolerance of acts which run counter to natural law should not (pardon the expression here:) be tolerated.

The headscarf issue is but the tip of the iceberg.

27 posted on 10/02/2003 2:36:59 PM PDT by austinTparty
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To: anotherGerman
This islamic malignancy seems to have "carte blanc" in damn near every western nation. In the San Francisco bay area alone there are something like 60 or so of these Saudi sponsored wahabbi indoctrination centers existing with leave of the state and federal governments. This should be policed and cleaned up immediately. Every family that has enrolled a kid in these schools should be packed up and hauled off...kids and all. But nothing happens. This is allowed to develop into what shortly will become an enormous internal terrorist threat.
28 posted on 10/02/2003 2:37:28 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: anotherGerman
anotherGerman wrote: Schröder did not run anti-American, he ran anti-WAR, BIG difference

Bullbleep!

Opposition to an Iraq intervention was a fig leaf to cover raw anti-Americanism:

The campaign's anti-American tone hit a low point last week when Schroeder's Justice Minister, Herta Daeubler-Gemlin, commented on president bush's foreign policy. She was quoted in a local newspaper as saying: 'Bush wants to divert attention from his domestic problems. It's a classic tactic. It's one that Hitler used." Schroeder stood by her saying he believed her when she said she'd been misquoted. The White House responded angrily. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said in an interview with the "Financial Times" said "There have clearly been some things said…way beyond the pale." And she added: "An atmosphere has been created in Germany that is in that sense poisoned." Today, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had this to say.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/july-dec02/bkgdgermany_9-23.html

This goes far beyond mere opposition to war.

30 posted on 10/02/2003 2:50:39 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: prairiebreeze
They will take over France and Germany just like the Nazis... except it will be very subtle and government sanctioned.
31 posted on 10/02/2003 2:52:31 PM PDT by rintense (Psycho like Rummy)
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To: Hammerhead
I am convinced that islam is "the abomination that makes desolate."

"please recite the whole verse and context.

I forget...."

Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11, Matt 24:15, Mark 13:14

33 posted on 10/02/2003 4:16:22 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Brandon_the_evil_waspy_male
So I take it you don't care for Islam much.

I SLAM Islam !!! </ No Sarcasm>

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34 posted on 10/02/2003 4:27:37 PM PDT by GeekDejure
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To: anotherGerman
Happy National Holiday, my fellow-citizen!

HOORAY FOR THE BLACK-RED-GOLD!!! ;-))

35 posted on 10/03/2003 2:59:06 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: quidnunc
No, I think I know who you mean and it's a guy with a "schluss" symbol in his screen name.
36 posted on 10/03/2003 3:05:32 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: anotherGerman
The problem I see with this Muslim effort, and I saw the same show too...is that it simply opens the door. If you want private schools all over the German countryside...then fine, this is the first of many...and it will orientate these kids in one direction only. All of these Muslim girls will be forced into wearing burkas and face coverings...and I can see the German social office going in to take these girls away from the family because of 'abuse'.

With so much dissatisfaction in Germany of the public education sector...this is simply one more brick for the wall. I can't see any positive outcomes from this mess.
37 posted on 10/03/2003 6:41:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: quidnunc
So don't come to us whining about Muslims.

Why not? Everybody else here does. This poster's sentiments are no different than many I see here.

If you've got a problem, solve it just like you would if you had a pair.

Well, why couldn't the poster tell all those that whine about illegals coming into the US from south of the border to do the same? Solve it like you have a pair don't just come whining about it to an open discussion forum.

38 posted on 10/03/2003 8:01:19 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: GeekDejure
Hey, what did that person say that got him banned? (if you don't mind me asking)
39 posted on 10/03/2003 8:05:16 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: prairiebreeze
"The invasion and assimilation continues."

Assimilation? What assilmilation? These people aren't assimilating, they are adamant about preserving their hatred for liberty and passing on their passionate poison to their (numerous) children.

40 posted on 10/03/2003 8:16:54 AM PDT by cookcounty
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