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Posted on 10/01/2003 9:09:06 PM PDT by Ex-Dem
Somehow, I doubt it's only about copyright/fair use issues.
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I have no doubt at all you're correct about it being political in the case of WP/LAT. But on the other hand I also believe it's within the rights of the copyright holder to insist on excerpting. I don't agree with the tactics of the RIAA either, but I agree that P2P file sharing of music is theft.
IMO that's a valid argument. But if the newspapers, etc. want to continue benefiting from the hits being directed their way they'd better find a way to accomodate deep links. I presume their ad rates depend upon of the number of hits.
On the question of deep linking, Spinello suggests that in all cases, Web sites wishing to connect to internal content should obtain permission before doing so.
IMO anything that defeats search engines' web crawlers defeats all of us. What is absolutely marvelous about the Internet is the ability to search everywhere and retrieve information in seconds.
This could be the beginning of the end of the most importent element in the free press.
And if the left, et al. revise the "Fairness Doctrine" it's back to the dark days of ABCNNBCBS. That of course means an end to free speech. That of course means war this time. The bloody kind. People are a lot more savvy today than they were in the 1960s.
??? Someone should tell these Socialists that it's the 21st century. Their website is PUBLIC by definition, and confidential information should be passworded. Sheesh.
Same here.
For whatever it's worth, I've maintained that once you could digitize content, and shoot it out over a wire, copyright was effectively dead.
AWWWW Cmon now there wouldnt be any hidden agenda here would there ?
Keeping you from communicating and pulling some if not all of the lieing liberals articles apart with the truth .....Keeping you from getting together and focusing on an issue thats goes against the liberal montra !
WE need to flood the market with newspapers ,magazines,flyers and the like with true conservative thought and analysis of liberal tripe we know these people are communist thinking its damn well time to prove it !!!!!!!!
Precisely!
Same here. How many newspapers place their products on newsstands hoping the public passersby would see a headline and stop to buy?
One of the really nice things about FR is that you can click on a link, read a posted article and then comment on it. All without having to visit the article's home website.As someone who is stuck with 56K dialup for the foreseeable future, I appreciate this feature very much. Not having to wade through some newspapers' website with large graphics, commercials and pop-up windows is a real blessing.
But I notice some FReepers excerpt even when not necessary. I get the impression there's a feeling of, "I can't keep track of what should and should not be excerpted, so I'll just excerpt everything I post." IMHO, this abuses one of the best features of FR.
It would be very helpful if there were a consolidated list of publications we must excerpt. In alphabetical order by publication name. Maybe as a drop down box on the posting page?
As long as I'm up here on the soapbox... a suggestion. If you DO have to excerpt, see if there is a "printer friendly" version of the article and link to that. These versions usually don't have all the graphics and pop-up windows.
upchuck is off the soapbox. Next?
Same here. Who needs the aggravation....not to mention the added spam? I seem to get along just fine with what IS allowed to be posted in full on FR. Besides, the links are corrupt after awhile anyway, so to maintain any kind of connection to the text of an article, there needs to be a place where it can be readily accessed. FR provides such a place, complete with the discussion/debate generated by the articles. That is an invaluable tool in my opinion and one which makes FR unique.
I suspect that liberals would often rather that much information fade into oblivion. Truth and informed debate are their enemies, but as far as theft is concerned, I can't see it. News is news and this forum is public and non-commercial. After all, one can go to a public library and access virtually any newspaper article from any paper that has ever been printed on microfiche without commercial benefit to the paper in question and take the content to a discussion group. In essence, there is no difference.
The Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post sued the operators of the site for copyright infringement. The court ruled that even though the site didn't charge user fees, it could be considered a commercial operation because it solicited donations and posted advertisements for other politically oriented sites.Aside from the fact that the judge actually ruled that since FR is a dot.com, it's commercial, the argument as presented above was the most specious and easily-defeated part of the ruling.
More difficult was the contention that FR was exercising First Amendment rights in discussion of news relevant to citizens' interests, and, as the article states, the lower court decision played straight into it:
Presumably, the court's decision leaves open the possibility that noncommercial copying and posting of news articles is a fair use. If so, it would be legal, but would it also be ethical? [Legal scholars] suggest that so long as the reproduction of material doesn't exploit the work commercially, it is ethical. News organizations might counter that all copying without permission is unethical.Very nice.Resolving this dilemma might turn on the question of whether or not one considers news to be a different kind of product than entertainment or other physical products. C. Edwin Baker, a prominent legal scholar and First Amendment theorist, has argued that news is an important public good, necessary for public discourse and personal enlightenment.
As to the specious objections to deep linking, my, how the technology that empowers them makes them squirm.
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