Posted on 10/01/2003 9:43:13 AM PDT by Sabertooth
Check out the pdf file for the L.A. Times Recall Poll.
No subscription or log in is necessary.Here's a sample question...
Q29: Are you more or less likely to vote for a candidate who supports the legislation which allows illegal immigrants to receive drivers' licenses, or does that not make a difference in your vote one way or the other?
------------------- Among likely voters -------------------
LV Dem Rep Lib Mod Con Wht Lat
More likely 13 24 3 28 10 4 10 32
Less likely 43 22 65 13 43 68 47 27
No difference 41 51 31 57 42 27 40 37
Don't know 3 3 1 2 5 1 3 4
Notice that the poll results for Whites and Latinos are broken down for ethnicity, but there are no poll results for Blacks and Asians. This is the case throughout the entire L.A. Times poll.
Why don't the opinions of Blacks and Asians matter to the L.A. Times?
(Excerpt) Read more at images.latimes.com ...
Be sure that they "get it." Let a significant number of blacks join/vote GOP. Now, what would happen on the Right?
You have three guesses.
Much ado about nothing...... They had to do an additional survey sample and add to the overall poll to get 137 Latinos in the mix which for the Latinos specifically has a MOE of 8. They had to add Latinos in their last poll also.
Be sure that they "get it." Let a significant number of blacks join/vote GOP. Now, what would happen on the Right?
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If posters here are indicative of the overall, it would mean that many would simply leave the GOP. Call it a political "white flight."
I mean, hey, if blacks vote GOP, it must mean that the GOP is "pandering" to them and selling out "conservative principles." Why do I say that? Offer a thread on how to go after the black vote without pandering. 80% of that thread would consist of terms like, "won't happen," "they'll never leave the Democrat plantation," "the GOP needs to stop pandering" (even if there's no pandering in the article posted), "they vote 90% Dem and that won't ever change," etc. Very few, if any, suggestions would be posted on how to pull it off while remaining true to the GOP platform. So if the GOP tries, it's pander, pander, pander.
This does not mean that most white Pubs are racist and/or bigoted. But it is what it is. And I will stand on this post with both my size 15 shoes.
They don't.
And until they do, and stop blowing off blacks as a "defacto extension of the Democratic Party," they'll never learn, either.
The opportunity is there; all that needs to be done is to take that opportunity to deliver the message - the real message, not the one that the Dems see fit to deliver on our behalf.
As I've asked here dozens of times: Do we truly want the Jesse Jacksons of the world delivering OUR message for us?
She told me it is harder for an Asian because they are treated as a majority but they must compete with the very bright Asians for spots..
What would be your method of approaching a particular minority group, without promising them something special? How does one dialogue with a minority group, without pandering to them. It seems a bit different than other interest groups, say gun-owners, who have the weight of burdensome legislation to complain about.
It occurs to me that there is the Thomas Sowell approach of repeatedly point out that things like housing regulations, cigarette, and gasoline taxes hurt the poor (and therefore, minorities) the most.
That message has to be delivered by Black Conservatives. I've been working actively on political campaigns for years, and white Conservatives are not welcome in Black neighborhoods. Black Conservatives have a hard enough time, but whites get nowhere.
And getting Blacks from integrated neighborhoods to come out to hear Conservative candidates isn't easy, either. My neighborhood has about 20% Blacks, but they never account for more than about 1% of the audience at any Conservative rally.
Simple. Treat us like you would yourselves.
That's not true. For instance, Tom DeLay can deliver his own message better than a surrogate.
I thought we were talking politics here. Is there a particular message that you would like to hear from, for instance, the GOP? Or that you think would be useful in persuading blacks of whatever it is that they need to be persuaded of.
I didn't mean "how should I approach a black person on the street, or in the elevator." It was my black friends who long ago pointed out that I was overly nice to other black people [obviously in an effort to counter the leftist/marxist racial division techniques which are so pervasive.] One of them said something like, "dude, why don't you just save time and wear a t-shirt that says 'Hello, I am not a racist'?"
At the risk of ruffling feathers here, the recent voting pattern of most blacks does not suggest that this is a message that appeals to them. I'm mean, I think we are all down with "content of their character" over "color of their skin", but the reality is that that particular message doesn't seem to resonate right now.
We are talking politics, and I meant exactly what I said. Treat us as you would yourselves.
The approach should not be different between ethnic groups. For example, if a conservative campaigns on how tax reduction keeps more money in the voters' pockets and creates jobs, stick with that point. Do black people want to keep more of the money they earn?
Apply this across the board whatever the issue may be. If it's good for white America, then it's equally good for black America. We all didn't arrive here on the same ship, but today, we're all in the same boat.
Lastly, let the Democrats deal with hitting people based on "diversity." That nonsense is not important. It's about time someone stood up and pointed out our similarities instead of our differences.
Then again, what do I know?
I'm battle tested. I don't have any more feathers to ruffle.
,the recent voting pattern of most blacks does not suggest that this is a message that appeals to them.
True. It's not resonating. But don't stop here. Ask yourself why this is the case.
You answer that question. Think about it, then answer it. I'll wait.
Maybe not a whole lot about how hard it is for a white person to get a Black one to listen. If I try to talk to a Black person about tax cuts, I'm trying to say that they'll be able to keep more of the money they earn, and they'll hear that I am trying to take benefits away from poor people.
If I try to talk about school vouchers, they hear racial prejudice.
And so it goes. White people can want to talk to Black ones, but if Black ones don't choose to listen, there isn't any exchange.
And, no, I don't know which side can break the impasse, but I do know that Black Conservatives get farther than white ones.
LOL
Ask yourself why this is the case. [That MLK's message doesn't resonate]
Uh, that's easy. Money in the bank. A layup. Because so many people (like a lilly white*, leftwing, spoiled rotten, doesn't-even-pay-his-own-rent friend of mine who sports a "Racism Is Typical" bumpersticker on the Subaru that his daddy bought for him to drive around the country to protest the WTO) have convinced so many blacks that (and I'm quoting this friend verbatim) "racism is woven into the fabric of society," so they need special help, or special status, to have a normal life.
Of course, such people would answer your question by saying that people like me don't really treat blacks equally, when, of course, they are the ones who don't.
This may just be the cynical KayEyeDoubleDee coming out here, but, frankly, I've spent the latter third of my life contemplating this issue and I'm getting fed-up with the whole exercise. And, I'm a damn friendly cat, with a hell of a lot of patience, but I'm tired of trying to explain to my black* friends, why I'm a Republican.
(*Even having to specify the color of a particular friend's skin is nauseating)
Maybe not a whole lot about how hard it is for a white person to get a Black one to listen.
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