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Momentum may be shifting against Davis
AP ^ | 09/29/03 | Tom Chorneau

Posted on 09/29/2003 9:46:19 PM PDT by Pikamax

Momentum may be shifting against Davis

By Tom Chorneau ASSOCIATED PRESS 4:12 p.m. September 29, 2003

SACRAMENTO – No one is quite sure when or how it happened, but there is a growing sense among analysts Monday that Gov. Gray Davis' drive to defeat the recall has lost momentum.

Some blame the court case that interrupted the campaign last week at a critical point. Others point out the state's higher car tax bills are just now hitting the mailboxes and igniting new voter anger. There are also some who say the performance of Republican front-runner Arnold Schwarzenegger in the big debate last week has somehow turned the tide.

"Up until a few days ago, I would have said that the momentum appeared to be with the governor and against recall, but now I'm not so sure," said Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a political analyst at the University of Southern California.

Jeffe noted that a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, released Sunday, found that 63 percent of probable voters appear ready to remove Davis from office and 40 percent want to replace him with Schwarzenegger. There is also a new, aggressive push by Davis to have a debate with Schwarzenegger – a sign, Jeffe said, that Davis may be getting nervous himself, perhaps because his internal polling is showing the same trends as the CNN/Gallup poll.

Then there is a sense that Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, the other leading Democrat in the race, has also fallen, largely because of criticism about him taking huge sums of money from Indian gaming interests. Bustamante's failures may have been a boost to Schwarzenegger, she said.

Davis supporters have been highly critical of the CNN/Gallup poll arguing that the representative pool of voters is unrealistically weighted with Republicans. They point out that all other public polls taken in the last month show voters badly split over the issue of recalling Davis and the contest to replace him a dead heat between Schwarzenegger and Bustamante.

"No one else has numbers even close to this," said Larry Grisolano, Davis' campaign manager.

But other Democrats are not so sure. Harvey Englander, a Los Angeles-based consultant, said that he has seen private polling that supports the CNN/Gallup numbers. David Binder, a Democratic pollster based in San Francisco, said he's seeing much of the same thing – that voters appear to be moving back in favor of recall.

"As Cruz is beginning to look like Gray Davis-lite, voters are looking around saying that they really don't like politicians," said Englander. "And the only non-politician with a chance of winning is Arnold."

Doug Schoen, a Democratic pollster who has worked for former President Clinton, said that the unique nature of the recall election is such that no pollsters knows with any certainty what voters are likely to turnout in this election and which ones will stay home.

He pointed out that the CNN/Gallup poll found 55 percent of registered voters would support recall – a figure much closer to other recent surveys. But when Gallup statisticians applied a "turnout model" to the data, in an attempt to focus on "probable" voters, the percent of those supporting the governor's recall jumped to 63 percent.

"We don't know if that turnout model will be correct," Schoen said. "They may be right, they may be wrong."

Schoen pointed out the hardest segment of the population to survey are low-income and minority voters and Democrats will be spending millions of dollars in the next week encouraging those voters to the polls.

Gallup executive editor Frank Newport defended his survey saying the pool of voters they used was not overly Republican. He explained that they assembled an initial pool of "probable" voters that was 49 percent Republican – a far higher ratio than might be expected on Election Day.

But he said, the "turnout model" actually reduced the Republican influence in the poll results to be even with those of Democrats – an estimate that is based both on statistics and experience with California elections, he said.

On the Net:

www.gallup.com/poll/

Gallup Polls


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: california; elections; graydavis; polling; recall

1 posted on 09/29/2003 9:46:19 PM PDT by Pikamax
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(posted ad nauseum until Election Day)

2 posted on 09/29/2003 9:48:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: Pikamax
Notice the headline. Momentum may be shifting against Davis

Ah, the ever so cautious leftist AP is beginning to get it. Now if only McClintock would get it.......

4 posted on 09/29/2003 10:01:26 PM PDT by teletech (Have we dug up Saddam yet?)
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To: Pikamax
I can no longer say "I don't know anyone who has been polled!". Today I was called by the L.A. Times poll! I thought about lying through my teeth and screwing up the survey but, rather than add to the confusion so close to Oct. 7th, I answered truthfully throughout. It was eye-opening to say the least. The girl who did the questioning could barely read and mispronounced just about every word and name. Because we got cut off before the final few questions I was called back sometime later to finish the poll with another girl who talked extremely fast, all the while EATING HER DINNER! I didn't detect any effort to "push" my answers in a particular direction.
5 posted on 09/29/2003 10:02:23 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: Pikamax
No one is quite sure when or how it happened, but there is a growing sense among analysts Monday that Gov. Gray Davis' drive to defeat the recall has lost momentum.

It must be a bleak day at AP. The "Rove the Leaker" story has come up a cropper, too.

6 posted on 09/29/2003 10:12:55 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant ("Only liberal speech is protected by the Constitution." -- The ACLU)
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To: Pikamax
Well duuuuuuh...AP about 24 hours late.
7 posted on 09/29/2003 10:17:38 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Pikamax
I simply cannot believe any poll from CNN, even done with Gallop, would be heavily weighted by Republicans.
8 posted on 09/29/2003 10:20:03 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Pikamax
Registered voters - 55 per cent favor recall.

Probable voters - 63 per cent favor recall.

Actual voters - ???

One never knows for certain until all the ballots are counted. But it doesn't look good for Gov. Davis, does it? So FReepers, let's get out the vote October 7th and make a lil' history by helping West L.A. gain a new retiree, OK?

Martin's toilet handle is now engaged by the absentee and early touchscreen voters, and will be by the rest of the voters October 7th. Be sure to flush good!
9 posted on 09/29/2003 10:33:48 PM PDT by AVNative
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I received my absentee ballot the same day klinton and davis had the 9th circus court try to delay the recall until March. I immediately voted for the recall and dropped it into the mailbox. That is when grey started losing momentum if he ever had any at all anyway. AP take notice, true Americans won't stand for crooked pols screwing with their voting rights!
10 posted on 09/29/2003 10:58:15 PM PDT by gorebegone
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To: Pikamax
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11 posted on 09/29/2003 11:06:57 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: Semi Civil Servant; DoctorZIn; HiJinx
No one is quite sure when or how it happened, but there is a growing sense among analysts Monday that Gov. Gray Davis' drive to defeat the recall has lost momentum.

It must be a bleak day at AP. The "Rove the Leaker" story has come up a cropper, too.

I JUST LOVE A LIBERAL DINNER HELPING!

12 posted on 09/29/2003 11:21:43 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Pikamax
Methinks the shift in big mo came after Clinton came to town last week and demogogued for Davis. . The demogogues for Davis don't see how they have lost credibility.
13 posted on 09/30/2003 3:25:24 AM PDT by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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