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Chip Design outsourcing appears inevitable, EEs told
EE Times ^ | September 25, 2003 | Ron Wilson

Posted on 09/28/2003 10:34:52 AM PDT by nwrep

 

Design outsourcing appears inevitable, EEs told
By Ron Wilson, EE Times
Sep 24, 2003 (12:51 PM)
URL: http://www.eedesign.com/story/OEG20030924S0032

SAN JOSE, Calif. — A panel session at the Custom Integrated Circuits Conference here Tuesday (Sept. 23) debated the implications for U.S. design engineers of IC design outsourcing.

Panelists offered free-market platitudes, candid warnings, reassuring economic generalizations and some incisive observations that may help individual designers find a foothold on what promises to be a slippery slope for the profession in the coming years.

Rakesh Kumar, president of operations-outsourcing venture TCX Inc. (Poway, Calif.) said the U.S. has a long history of outsourcing its key industries, including the steel and automotive businesses. He noted that the electronics industry has followed suit, outsourcing the vast majority of packaging, assembly and test.

"Every industry has done this," Kumar said. "The only difference is at what point the outsourcing curve turns over — at 20 percent, 50 percent or 100 percent of the U.S. capacity." The question is not whether the U.S. will outsource chip design, but whether it will retain some design capability or send out everything, Kumar said.

Kumar posed three questions for the panel: Is chip design outsourcing inevitable? What role will it leave for the US? and What can an individual engineer do about it?

Ann Lee Saxenian, professor of political science at the University of California Berkeley and an author on the subject of economic globalization, documented a substantial flight of the electronics industry from the U.S. She said the U.S. share of the global semiconductor market would drop to 30 percent by 2010, while the Asia-Pacific share would rise to 35 percent and Japan's declined to 20 percent.

In contrast to the overall figures, she noted, 40 percent of all fabless semiconductor revenue flowed into Silicon Valley companies in 2002.

Saxenian described the redistribution of the industry not as outsourcing but as a new global division of labor. In this new order, a once monolithic industry is disaggregating, with individual tasks migrating to locations that can perform them most productively.

Seen in this light, she said, the U.S. would likely retain dominance in IC architectural design, in investment into the semiconductor industry and in design of chip manufacturing equipment and EDA tools.

Ed Ross, president of TSMC USA, charted the competitive landscape in the Chinese, Taiwan and U.S. semiconductor markets. Contrary to most U.S. executives, Ross said Taiwan and China have collectively become a hotbed of design activity. "There are about 350 design houses in Taiwan today, and 500 in mainland China," he said. "Many of these are small, but not all of them. And some are very sophisticated."

Right mix

China in particular had the right mix of advantages to prosper rapidly, he added. "The industry receives heavy government investment in China," Ross said, "and benefits from a very strong local market. But on the minus side, China currently suffers a critical lack of experienced managers, and their continued lack of effective legal protection for intellectual property could become a serious limitation."

On balance, Ross said, China would mature as a design community more rapidly than Taiwan "for one simple reason. They are importing a lot of managers from Taiwan who have already been through the experience." If there is a dark cloud looming over the Chinese industry, Ross said, it is that the huge fab building campaign could lead to global overcapacity by 2005 or 2006.

Werner Goertz, vice president at outsourcing megastore Wipro Technologies (Bangalore, India,) added a different perspective. On a macroeconomic scale, Goertz said design outsourcing was a nonissue. He showed data indicating that the total number of jobs projected to leave the U.S. from outsourcing by 2005 — about 3 million — would be only slightly larger than the number of jobs lost through normal operations in the U.S. in the boom year of 1997.

Further, Goertz said productivity increases from outsourcing enriched U.S.-based companies that outsourced design work. Hence, in a trickle-down view of engineering economics, the job loss benefited the U.S. engineers.

Geortz counseled engineers to effectively run for high ground, or move their careers away from basic design and into architectural design or design management — tasks least likely to be outsourced.

Behrooz Abdi, a vice president heavily involved in mixed-signal design at Motorola, said outsourcing is not just about lower salaries. He said the underlying problems were that productivity growth had outpaced demand, and that companies had lost their differentiation. This has forced faster time to market and lower development costs as a substitute for successful new products.

Abdi agreed that the best path for individual engineers and for companies was to innovate at the systems level rather than trying to differentiate themselves on the basis of chip or circuit design.

Gloomier view

Brian Fitzgerald, chief executive of the small design services house ChipWrights (Boston) was pessimistic.

"I think design outsourcing is necessary to a small company in order to compete," Fitzgerald said, "but in the long term I think it is bad for the country." Fitzgerald said he is continually approached by offshore design shops offering to work "three to five times cheaper than we can do it here.'' The more outsourcing, the more global competition is lowering engineering salaries and career opportunities in the U.S.

"One of my engineers comes to me and says he has to have a 10 percent raise. I know he's good, but I also know I could get maybe five times more work done for the same money I'm paying him now. So what am I going to do?" Fitzgerlad asked. ''The more we cut away at the incentives for people in the U.S. to take up engineering careers, the more we undermine out ability to innovate."

The panel's consensus was that IC design outsourcing is inevitable, and probably irreversible. The U.S. will be left with product specification for the domestic market, architectural design and investment from venture capital firms. All individual engineers can do in the face of a flood of outsourced design work is to flee to the relative safety of system architecture, or target highly individual analog or RF design talents.

They can also cling to the hope that the water stops rising, panlists said.

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To: clamper1797
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41 posted on 09/28/2003 1:59:20 PM PDT by null and void
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To: martin_fierro
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42 posted on 09/28/2003 2:03:41 PM PDT by null and void
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43 posted on 09/28/2003 2:06:01 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Make a Jazz noise here)
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To: steplock
"We attained our great level from MOTIVATION, NECESSITY, and IMAGINATION. "

It's time we imagine the future if we keep giving away our technologies and advantages. Realize what is necessary for us to survive in a competitive world marketplace. And get motivated to do something about it, before it's too late.

44 posted on 09/28/2003 2:10:49 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: RipSawyer
"That is the fact, but what would happen in the short term if we revalued our currency at a realistic level versus the others? All those foreigners who are holding US government debt would suddenly find their holdings grossly devalued and what would be the final result of that? "

These ara really good questions and considering recent statements made by the IMF concerning the value of the USD I would like to hear some answers.
45 posted on 09/28/2003 2:18:04 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: hunter112
"Engineers should get their butts out of their cubicles, and develop personalities, so they can adequately explain to non-techie people how to use the technology that gets developed. Yes, this means that they will be selling things rather than just tinkering around a lab bench coming up with crap that people either don't need, or can't understand. Clear enough, now?"

Your understanding of engineers' personalities, job descriptions appears limited to the stereotypical tape on the glasses, pocket protector, white shirt, "nerds" from 40 years ago.

The notion that engineers are "just tinkering around a lab bench coming up with crap that people either don't need, or can't understand" is ridiculous. Engineering is almost always market driven. It is rare that engineers are given an open-ended "just come up with something" job description.

Similarly, by the time a high tech product gets to the public the hard core tech details have been sanitized and distilled down to the most basic monosyllabic instructions (with pictures for the illiterate). You do not need to know how a DVD player works to watch a DVD, in fact you may not have even read the instructions when you opened the box.

46 posted on 09/28/2003 2:18:45 PM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: nwrep
Well I guess I'll tell my high school freshman to forget about pursuing that mechanical engineering degree he covets so badly.

Jeez.

47 posted on 09/28/2003 2:22:56 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Texas_Dawg
Oh boy, this is great! More Americans lose their jobs!

''The more we cut away at the incentives for people in the U.S. to take up engineering careers, the more we undermine out ability to innovate."

Yay! < Texas_Dawg_Mode>

48 posted on 09/28/2003 2:24:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: PuNcH
Regulators in the US pretend to be concerned with safety and environmental standards but most of what has been done recently is not.

We have virtually shut down the nuclear industry and petrochemical refining industries because of regulations that are illogical, counterproductive and which change daily. We carefully regulate the size of holes in Swiss cheese. We are not allowed to have any hiring standards that might possibly have a disparate effect on the racial composition of the workforce. We treat alcoholism as a protected disability but we pay billions when an alcoholic tanker captain runs his ship aground.

Many corporations have to compensate for the poor academic preparation of their employees by bearing the expense of their in-house remedial education programs. And then there are the lawsuits. Bogus lawsuits for asbestos, for leukemia from high tension power line exposure. All junk science. Standards? We've lost all legal standards. This is a pack of jackals ripping our guts out.

Let's let companies set their own standards and let's the public decide who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and sanction them appropriately.
49 posted on 09/28/2003 2:29:31 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: ghostrider; oceanview; Willie Green
Ah, yes.... here's some neat job ideas that I saw in an Ad for a local job fair. I am not looking, but the types of ads caught my eye.

Jobs in the security field sound promising. Guarding all the rich stockholders property/stuff/bodies for $8-10 an hour. Be Armed for maybe, $12 per hour. Or, how about a job monitoring the alarm systems....$10 per hour.

Then, there is police and firepersons jobs.

Let us NOT forget insurance sales. That is always a good job.

Oh, and what about jobs in the military. Knocking out terrorists/other bothersome/nasty folks. This is always a great career/volunteer path to travel. The military was going to have "representatives" at the job fair. WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED??

Any job that will provide for the safety, care and feeding of the elites/stockholders/economically powerful/politicians..... well, these will be great careers, right? Suppose so.

!JOBS! JOBS! This whole darn job loss thing is enough to test the patience of JOB!

50 posted on 09/28/2003 2:35:29 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: JohnSmithee
The international free market in currency establishes the value of the dollar. No one controls it.
51 posted on 09/28/2003 2:36:00 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I know a mechanical engineer.... graduated with honors from a very prominent University about 15 years ago. He is a sales manager of a truck tire manufacturer now. Makes a little less money and travels all the time. His wife and kids hate that.

He hates it too.

52 posted on 09/28/2003 2:40:55 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Dan Evans
"The international free market in currency establishes the value of the dollar. No one controls it."

That may be true, but it doesn't mean that it can't be influenced.
53 posted on 09/28/2003 2:41:15 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: Dan Evans
"The international free market in currency establishes the value of the dollar. No one controls it."

The important factor is the value of the dollar relative to other currencies such as the Yuan, which is pegged to the value of the dollar.
54 posted on 09/28/2003 2:43:04 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: JohnSmithee
Just check out the Want Ads from any large parper

WRONG basis for comparison - LARGELY that's where advertising for common jobs takes place ...

55 posted on 09/28/2003 2:45:42 PM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: magellan
The IC pie is going to get much, much bigger. That is the point many people are missing.

I'm with you on this one - we haven't even tapped HALF the applications yet that electronics, high performance digital processing, artificial intelligence, neural networks coupled with visual recognition and display technologies and house-hold robotics are capable of ...

56 posted on 09/28/2003 2:49:26 PM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: Lion in Winter
You could become a Hutterite and work for $6.00 a month:

Where Communism Works in America

 

 

57 posted on 09/28/2003 2:49:48 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: _Jim
Most of the applications of electronics are frivolous but it is essential that we lead in the field. America was able to fight WWII on two fronts because we were able to re-tool our peacetime industry over to a wartime industry. Electronics are essential to modern warfare and if things get really bad we will need the industry here in the US, not in a country that we may be going to war with.

On that note, China has stated that it intends to take Taiwan eventually (by force if necessary) and the US is pledged to defend Taiwan.
58 posted on 09/28/2003 3:02:21 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Electronics are essential to modern warfare and if things get really bad we will need the industry here in the US, not in a country that we may be going to war with.

We have SUBSTANTIAL foundary assets still on our shores - NOT to worry on this account yet.

TI, in Dallas, has significant investment in modern wafer processing (foundaries or 'front ends') facilities on their Expressway site - they haen't been shuttered yet and I'll let you know when they are ...

59 posted on 09/28/2003 3:09:04 PM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: nwrep
Why on Earth would a bright person want to become an EE? Oh, because his father thought it would be a good career move . . . the same father who wanted him to go into nuclear engineering, just months before Three Mile Island . . . I'm speaking hypothetically, of course.
60 posted on 09/28/2003 3:11:41 PM PDT by JoeSchem
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