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Why Do We Suckers Tip?
Gunny G's Globe and Anchor Sites & Forums! ^ | 27 September 2003 | Dick Gaines

Posted on 09/28/2003 4:51:27 AM PDT by gunnyg

Tip means To Insure Promptness, or Tips, To Insure Promt Service... Numerous writings regarding the history of "tipping" would indicate that tipping came about centuries ago, and was paid up front to insure prompt service subsequent to you providing a gratuity. Now, the gratuity is paid after the fact; just another aspect of how backasswards things have become.

Gone are the olden days when the innkeeper's daughter was the servant administering to weary travelers at wayside inns. But today, tipping has grown into an institution unto itself, and we are "conditioned" to this with obedience, and without question, no resistence, not so much as a whimper.

In fact, we Tip with extreme loyalty and pride, as we do paying our "taxes"! Anyone who dares voice an opinion contrary to tipping, is immediately attacked by tippers--the majority--therefore, mob rule prevails. Recently, I chanced to post some of my thoughts on the above to a Internet bulletin board, and was lambasted unmercifully as a tightwad, flake, and just plain mean-spirited (where have I heard that b4?).

Some of these irate responses came from enraged waiters, waitresses, etc. (excuse me, "SERVERS") who felt that they were entitled to tips, since their employers paid them below minimum wage and they needed the tips. I'm not sure that is even so and/or legal.

Others stated that they certainly would not take another job at higher pay and have to pay taxes on that pay, ending up w/less in their pockets; whereas otherwise they did not report their total tips, etc. Hmmm...

This topic is not limited to servers, etc. Today, everybody under the sun seems to be an eligible tippee and expects a tip--and big ones too.

If you are inclined to respond/post on this board, please attempt to do so with the big picture in mind, and not personally biased, e,g., as you would if you just happen to be one of the countless tipped/insufficiently tipped servers, taxi-drivers, bellhops, etc., etc. You may respond/post on any or all of those things mentioned above, and/or related information, questions, answers, etc.

Actually, I may have been motivated on this topic after reading an article on the Internet (by a U.S. Marine, moonlighting) who was badmouthing consumers in general for thinking that they should pay only the traditional 15% tip--this arrogant xxxxxxx was sure he had more coming him, and, indeed, was irritated/enraged that some were daring enough, depriving him of his due.

Personally, I am damned sick and tired of "servers" kneeling at my table, referring to me/us as "you guys," and hearing their "sorry bout dat," (which means xxxx you!) And what really pisses me off is when I'm sitting on the end in a booth, and some jerko waiter stands on my outboard foot w/his size 12 gunboats! No, I'm wrong--what really pisses me off is sitting there waiting for my check so I can get the hell outta there, after being pestered to death from the time I was seated with service above and beyond, only for them to disappear when it is my desired time of departure--this is when they show up after you finally catch their attention and wave them down, and they still pressure you to order desert after you ask for your check! Then, if you want change, there's another wait till they come back again.

Don't get me wrong--I am not opposed to tipping because of the above listed grievances--I am opposed to tipping in principle--I work for my pay like most others--and I don't expect/demand a handout. I just thought I would pitch my favorite bitches here while I'm at it, since the opportunity presents itself.


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To: P.O.E.
I always tip in cash, never on the credit card. What they claim to the IRS is their business.

Not that cash or credit card makes any difference. So, you enjoy tipping twice? That's what you're doing if they don't report their earnings. Someone, you and I, have to make up for everyone not paying their fair share.

101 posted on 09/28/2003 7:36:33 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Graybeard58
There are certain establishments where, not only do they not pay minimum wage, they pay no wage at all and some even require that the "waitresses" pay for the privilege of working there.
102 posted on 09/28/2003 7:38:25 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I plan on living forever - So far, so good.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I live in Europe ( five different country) And i will tell you , if you read your bill--a tip is just addded to the Bill----in all
104 posted on 09/28/2003 7:42:23 AM PDT by ralph rotten
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To: gunnyg
I tip because my first job outta college (when I couldn't find work) was as a waitress.

First day on the job...
St. Patrick's Day in Savannah in Spanky's on Riverstreet.

It left a mark on me and I always tip and tip well.
105 posted on 09/28/2003 7:42:29 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: July 4th
that's very interesting since Merriam-Webster is one of the sources I checked and this is what I got:



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The word isn't in their dictionary, yet they made it their "word of the day" on Aug.18th.
106 posted on 09/28/2003 7:44:12 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I plan on living forever - So far, so good.)
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To: CroftonFreeper
I'm with gunny. Rotten service? Rotten tip. Cause and effect. Laws of physics. Figure it out. If you're too dumb to understand the connection between your service and the tip, you deserve to starve.
107 posted on 09/28/2003 7:46:37 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: wizardoz
Careful wiz, your common sense could get you labelled as "without compassion"
108 posted on 09/28/2003 7:49:03 AM PDT by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Tipping in Europe is not common either, and if you do tip, it is merely rounding up the change
This isn't because they don't believe in tipping, it's because most places automatically add a "service charge" to the bill.
109 posted on 09/28/2003 7:50:20 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: mtbopfuyn
Um, perhaps no one has mentioned it because that's not part of the equation...

Um, maybe not part of your equation, but Um, reality.

I have found this to be the case in every situation where you must interact with someone in the service industry. Treat the other person with respect and they will treat you a little better in return.

Auto service, retail, home repairs, you name it - a smile and a pleasant demeanor wins superior service. Um, get it?

110 posted on 09/28/2003 7:51:39 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: ghostrider
Hear hear!
111 posted on 09/28/2003 7:56:53 AM PDT by Buck72
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To: mtbopfuyn
'So, you enjoy tipping twice? That's what you're doing if they don't report their earnings. Someone, you and I, have to make up for everyone not paying their fair share'.


...Remember the song,"Skip A Rope"? "Cheat on your taxes, don't be a fool.What was that they said about the golden rule?"
... If someone does not pay his tax, then I am paying more than my share.
112 posted on 09/28/2003 7:56:54 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I plan on living forever - So far, so good.)
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To: netmilsmom
For those that are totally unpleasant, I dig a nickel out of my purse. This was the waitstaff will know that it was intentionally left as a reflection of the service.

The first time I did that was in 1979.

I was working part-time at a bank on Wall street while in college and a friend (who also worked for same bank but in different building) and I used to go for lunch once a week. It was Christmas break and a friend from HS was home for the holidays and I wanted to take her out for lunch. It was my week to treat for the other friend's lunch so we all went together.

As many times as my co-worker friend informed the waitress I was the hostess of the lunch, she absolutely ignored me, to the point where she handed the bill to my male friend.

Funny, she knew I was the one to speak to when she yelled across the room as we were exiting because I had only left a nickel.

113 posted on 09/28/2003 7:56:58 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: gunnyg
I tip well for good service and poor to no tip for crappy service. I really hate it when the waitress just about creams her jeans over my hubby trying for a tip when I am the one who pays. Not that he can't, it's just easier for me to carry the money when we go out. We've had waitresses fawn over hubby and totally ignore me. Pisses me the he!! off, BTW, she does not get a tip. The best waiters/waitresses are the ones who are courteous to us both, are there when we need more tea etc and not when we are busy stuffing or face.
114 posted on 09/28/2003 8:01:40 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: StACase; Huck
I agree with you two .

It is fun to be nice to someone who deserves it, and there are enough nasty SOBS out there already.

I have worked with "the public" on several occaisons and while most of them are decent, many of them are a pain in the butt and will never be happy no matter what you do.

I was never in a "tipping" industry, but I valued a smile and a "thank you" from a happy customer and I try hard now to be appreciative to people who wait on me.

Tia

115 posted on 09/28/2003 8:05:41 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: gunnyg
I tip according to the service received.

However, I do have a suggestion for you.

There was an episode of the tv show "Third Rock from the Sun", where John Lithgow,the head alien, has a rough time with a waitress, similar to gunnyg's. The tip system is explained to him and he returns to the resturant. He puts a stack of 1$ bills on the table and explains to the waitress that the bills represent her tip and he will transfer some to her "tip" stack based on her service. For example she brings hot rolls, he puts some bills in her stack, but she forgets butter, he takes some off. It goes on like that with the waitress seeing her tip grow and shrink "in real time".

Very funny bit. No, I've never tried it myself.

116 posted on 09/28/2003 8:06:19 AM PDT by Coastie ( "Ask the Chief")
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To: ladyjane
Good point about jj. It's probably why I don't eat out as much as I used to, and when I do, it's where I can see the food from prep to the table; like Bob Evans, Panera Bread, etc.
117 posted on 09/28/2003 8:11:41 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: najida
najida wrote:

I tip because my first job outta college (when I couldn't find work) was as a waitress. First day on the job... St. Patrick's Day in Savannah in Spanky's on Riverstreet.

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WOW!

Talk about a "baptism by fire"!

Tia

118 posted on 09/28/2003 8:12:13 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: tiamat
It was a baptism by fire,
BUT,
Everyday after that was a piece of cake in comparison.

I got more complements on what a good employee I was from my bosses.

I would just look at them and think "But it is so easy now!"

Anyhow, I think then I was getting paid $1.12 an hour....so I tip even now.
119 posted on 09/28/2003 8:15:44 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: SamAdams76
Mr. Pink: I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's [expletive] up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government [expletive] in the [expletive] on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college [expletive] I got two words for that: learn to [expletive] type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big [expletive] surprise.
120 posted on 09/28/2003 8:19:47 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Do you work for good, or for awesome?)
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