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Second Judge Blocks Do-Not-Call list
AP ^ | 09/025/03 | David Ho

Posted on 09/25/2003 8:49:23 PM PDT by Concentrate

Second Judge Blocks Do-Not-Call List By DAVID HO

WASHINGTON (AP) - With remarkable speed and near unanimity, Congress on Thursday passed legislation intended to ensure consumers can block many unwanted telemarketing calls. But whether the service millions of Americans signed up for takes effect next week was thrown into doubt when a second federal judge ruled the list violates free speech protections.

U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham in Denver blocked the list late Thursday, handing another victory to telemarketers who argued the national registry is unconstitutional and will devastate their industry.

His decision came shortly after the House and Senate voted overwhelmingly for a bill making clear that the Federal Trade Commission has the power to enforce the ``do-not-call'' list. The legislation was prompted by an earlier ruling by a federal judge in Oklahoma City who said the FTC lacked the power to create and operate the registry.

The House voted 412-8 and the Senate 95-0 for the bill. President Bush said he looked forward to signing it. ``Unwanted telemarketing calls are intrusive, annoying and all too common,'' he said in a statement.

The list that would block an estimated 80 percent of telemarketing calls is supposed to be effective Wednesday, but it's unclear whether legal issues will be settled by then. Even after Bush signs the legislation, the FTC must win in court for the list to move forward.

Despite the uncertainty, the FTC is encouraging people to continue signing up for the list at the Web site www.donotcall.gov or by calling 1-888-382-1222.

The FTC asked U.S. District Court Judge Lee R. West to block the order he issued Tuesday declaring the agency lacked proper authority to oversee the list. He declined Thursday and the FTC immediately appealed to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.

The FTC had no immediate comment on Nottingham's ruling, but it also probably will end up with the 10th Circuit.

The suit in Nottingham's court was filed in January by two telemarketing companies and the American Teleservices Association, which represents call centers.

Nottingham said the do-not-call list was unconstitutional under the First Amendment because it does not apply equally to all kinds of speech, blocking commercial telemarketing calls but not calls from charities. ``The FTC has chosen to entangle itself too much in the consumer's decision by manipulating consumer choice,'' Nottingham wrote.

Ken Johnson, spokesman for Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said the ruling ``puts a little damper on the party, but we're still confident of prevailing in the end.'' He said Tauzin's staff was reviewing the Denver decision.

During brief debates, House and Senate members made it clear they want the list.

``Clearly the court's decision was misguided,'' said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., referring to West. ``The measure before us makes crystal clear the commission can and should proceed with the do-not-call list.''

He said the Oklahoma City ruling has ``served as a rallying cry for the tens of millions of American households who signed up for the registry.''

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said no one likes ``hopping up and down like jackrabbits to answer the phone and then hear somebody on the phone try to sell you something. It drives you crazy.''

The ruling caught lawmakers off guard but they responded with remarkable speed. Bills can take months or even years to pass, but the do-not-call legislation was drafted and approved in both chambers in little more than 24 hours.

The rapid response underscored the popularity of the list, which after fewer than four months already has nearly 51 million numbers.

``This legislation got to the House floor faster than a consumer can hang up on a telemarketer at dinnertime,'' said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass.

Since issuing the ruling, West's home and office have been bombarded with calls from angry consumers. His numbers were posted on the Internet and people were encouraged to call.

``They just keep calling to harass us, like the telemarketers harass them, I guess,'' said Rick Wade, operations manager at the district clerk's office.

Despite the torrent of angry calls Thursday, West rejected the FTC's request to block his order, saying the agency offered no additional evidence that would make him change his mind.

The FTC expects the list to block four of every five telemarketing calls. Exemptions include calls from charities, pollsters and on behalf of politicians.

The FTC's rules require telemarketers to check the list every three months to see who does not want to be called. Those who call listed people could be fined up to $11,000 for each violation. Consumers would file complaints to an automated phone or online system.

Telemarketers say the list would severely harm their industry and lead to the loss of thousands of jobs. Still, the Direct Marketing Association, one of the groups that challenged the registry, said it has asked its members to obey the wishes of those who are enrolled in the registry.

National Do Not Call Registry: http://www.donotcall.gov

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Let's have at it. Is this an example of free speech? I think not.
1 posted on 09/25/2003 8:49:24 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Concentrate
Already posted here with over 200 responses:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989562/posts
2 posted on 09/25/2003 8:52:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia; John Robinson
Thanks or the response, but I just busted my butt to get this out here, AFTER searching FR for the title. Never again! The search function is USELESS!
3 posted on 09/25/2003 8:55:18 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: Concentrate
What a masochist this judge must be. :-)
4 posted on 09/25/2003 8:57:43 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Terra Vegetable Chips. WOW they're good. But you will worry about your $800 crowns.)
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To: Concentrate
that's alright ... consumer groups will have to put pressure on this judge too ... and see what telemarketing group he owns stock in ... or perhaps it's his brother-in-law's business ...
5 posted on 09/25/2003 8:58:08 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Concentrate
Well then I'll bore you with my point. Freepers on the other thread seem to have missed it.

HECK with the FREE SPEECH issue! HECK with the telemarketers. Don't worry about them. They can't call you without a list.

THE LIST should be everyone's concern. Companies, Government and whoever else I'm missing, SELL our information for profit. Some without our consent, others with 'misled' consent. All and and all, when did our name and personal data become a commodity? AND why shouldn't we get a kick back?

Freeper m1-lightening responded that there is a Privacy Act Bill In Progress. THIS is the bill we need to support. If people can't sell our names, then there is NO LIST for the telemarketers to call you on.

6 posted on 09/25/2003 8:58:55 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Concentrate
I'd like to exercise my free speech rights on this judge's phone. Anybody got the number?
7 posted on 09/25/2003 9:02:19 PM PDT by etcetera
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To: Concentrate
This isn't a dupe. Don't sweat it.
8 posted on 09/25/2003 9:02:24 PM PDT by TomServo ("Upon further review, the refs find that Cody is dead. The play stands -- Cody is dead.")
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To: etcetera
Look here: http://www.co.uscourts.gov/judges/ewn_info.htm
9 posted on 09/25/2003 9:03:09 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Concentrate
Whatever you do, don't exercise your Constitutional right to call this judge and protest his decision at:

Judge Edward W. Nottingham Alfred A. Arraj United States Courthouse A1041 / Courtroom 14
(303) 844-5018

That might be wrong.

10 posted on 09/25/2003 9:05:32 PM PDT by strela (I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back that money?)
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To: etcetera
Read this thread about the judge's phone being swamped with calls.
11 posted on 09/25/2003 9:07:38 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Concentrate
I found the judge’s Email and office phone numbers.

This is the great thinker that feels it’s a Constitutional right to call people, so have at it:

US District Judge Edward W. Nottingham
1929 Stout St
Denver, CO 80294
(303) 844-5018 X5 for Secretary

Staff Telephone Numbers

Chambers Email - nottingham_chambers@cod.uscourts.gov
Chambers Fax - (303) 335-2155
Secretary: Stacy Steinbrecher - (303) 844-5018 - Press 5 for Secretary

Courtroom Deputy Clerk: Edward Butler - (303) 844-5018
Docket Clerk, Civil Matters: Patricia Pirner – (303) 844-3433
Docket Clerk, Criminal Matters: Elaine Quintana - (303) 844-2115
Court Reporter: Therese Lindblom - (303) 628-7877

12 posted on 09/25/2003 9:16:05 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Calpernia
Read this thread about the judge's phone being swamped with calls.

That thread was about the first judge that ruled on the DNC list - Lee R. West. This thread is about Edward Nottingham, another judge who did the same thing.

13 posted on 09/25/2003 9:17:25 PM PDT by strela (I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back that money?)
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To: Concentrate
You done good, C. The previous thread had no specifics. This one is a good update.

Nottingham, btw, is a 1989 Bush appointee.

14 posted on 09/25/2003 9:23:36 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: strela
Pardon.
15 posted on 09/25/2003 9:24:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: strela
It was West? Though it was Brinkema.
16 posted on 09/25/2003 9:24:23 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: RJL; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine; rdb3
Now, I would *NEVER* (Wink, wink) advocate wardialing the entire 844 exchange in the 303 area code as telemarketers do (Wink, wink) to ensure that they get maximum "target audience coverage." (Wink, wink) Uh-uh. (Wink, wink) I'd never support doing that. (Wink, wink) Not for a second. (Wink, wink)

BTW, I've suddenly (Wink, wink) developed this amazing (Wink, wink) facial tic...

On a slightly more serious note...if a pimply-faced teenager wardials an entire exchange looking for a remote access server, it's a felony. If a telemarketer wardials an entire exchange looking for someone to answer the phone...it's a First Amendment right.

What was that "equal protection under the law" thingie again? Or was it just a concept created by some dead white men?
17 posted on 09/25/2003 9:24:26 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Bonaparte
The FTC asked U.S. District Court Judge Lee R. West to block the order he issued Tuesday declaring the agency lacked proper authority to oversee the list ...

I think its moot anyway - just a few words in the law to be changed.

18 posted on 09/25/2003 9:26:40 PM PDT by strela (I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back that money?)
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To: Calpernia
Pour nodder. (I confuse easily, you see ...)
19 posted on 09/25/2003 9:27:30 PM PDT by strela (I wonder if Tom McClintock will have to "make a reservation" to pay back that money?)
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To: strela
Ah, found it. Looks like a lot of district judges are out to help us all get harassed, whether we want to be or not.

Say, wanna start a telemarketing company specializing in selling to district court clerks over the phone? It would be more convenient than residential work since we can call them up during regular business hours. All day long.

20 posted on 09/25/2003 9:32:24 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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