History Repeated? (Cavuto)

FOX News ^ | 09/24/03 | Neil Cavuto

[abnegation]

He never succeeded at winning over his critics. Some called him bombastic, others a war-monger.

He warned about terrorism, but few listened.

He warned about a foreign ogre, but few seemed to care.

He talked of not confronting the enemy and about the dangers of kowtowing to the enemy. An enemy that would sooner rip out your heart than let you even think he had one of his own.

[Consort]

Like I said: It's the voters, stupid.

[abnegation]

Cavuto ping!

Sorry there have been no Cavuto posts from me for awhile. I've not been able to post due to a puppy with a broken leg, but she will all better and I am back.

[Judith Anne]

Oh, thanks so much for the Cavuto post! He's been one of my favorites for some time now.

P.S. Love your tagline. ;-D

[Semper Paratus]

It's the voters, stupid.

History will also show that as soon as Hitler was defeated the voters kicked his arse out in favor of socialism.

[alpowolf]

Comparing the Iraq war to WW2 is just plain ridiculous.

[Hostage]

Bush is nowhere near to becoming abandoned by his followers.

The American people are waking up to the Media's propaganda. They know there is another side, another perspective that is supportive of the President. They are also aware that the threat has not been extinguished. The American people are now awake and vigilant.

Cavuto got it wrong this time because he cannot help but be influenced from time to time by New York journalistic circles.

[manna]

What about comparing WWII to the war on terror? Is that ridiculous?

[Consort]

...as soon as Hitler was defeated the voters kicked his arse out in favor of socialism.

The same thing happened here in '92. After Saddam was defeated, the voters kicked Bush 41 out in favor of socialism.

[BluH2o]

The man who originally took on terror, would later be thrown out of office by the very people who rallied around him because of terror.
No, I'm not talking about a president named Bush. I'm talking about a prime minister named Winston Churchill.

Winston Churchill was tossed out of office by the Brits shortly after WWII ended ... 1947 if my memory serves me correctly. However, it wasn't many years later (in the mid- 50's) when the Brits began to recognize him for the great wartime leader he was and re-elected him Prime Minister. Churchill got a well deserved second chance, Bush won't.

[alpowolf]

Completely. It's a different war requiring a different response. Fighting it as though it were WW2 will guarantee that we will lose.

[manna]

I'm not referring to the strategy and tactics but to the size and scope of the war on terror. In that way, I believe it can be compared to WWII.

Iraq is just one theater of operations, not the entire war. I think Cavuto may have been referring to the entire war on terror not, as you seem to be implying, just the battle in Iraq.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Difference is, in this case the ogre had already attacked when Bush rallied a response--and the al Quaeda threat is not susceptible to final conquest in 3 years. It won't go with a bang but with a whimper. Even after Afghanistan and Iraq, the Axis of Evil is still in business.

It's like having an election after the fall of Italy but with the Nazis and the Japanese still very much in business.

It's not like political parties never changed any other positions, of course--

for example Jack Kemp's reversal of Republican policy from "balanced budget uber alles" to "tax rates must be reduced for the health of the economy"

--but has anyone else noticed that the Democratic Party has switched from internationalism to pacifism and de facto isolationism?

[baseballmom]

Can you ping me to your Cavuto posts? Thanks for this posting, and I'm hoping your pup recovers soon from his broken leg.

Hostage, I sure hope you're right about the voters staying awake. One would think we had learned a long time ago that appeasement does not work.

[mathluv]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Consort]

The American people are waking...

Have you ever seen the movie, Ship of Fools?

[George Smiley]

Funny he should say that.

I'm re-reading Churchill's History of World War II.

The first volume discusses, among other things, the Italian invasion and conquest of Abyssinia.

The parallels to the ineffectiveness of the League of Nations with respect to that situation to the ineffectiveness of the UN with respect to Iraq are nothing short of amazing.

Both bodies apparently studiously avoided taking any actions which could have possibly been effective in preventing each subsequent conflict.

[LN2Campy]

The concept of a "War on Terror" is essentially flawed -- terror is a tactic, a technique. I'd really prefer if the administration would just come out and admit this is a war on islamic extremism/expansionism. But that would tick off our "allies" like the Saudis and Pakistanis.

[putupon]

[alpowolf]

The realities of rebuilding after a war all but wiped out the glories of winning that war.

That sounds like a reference to Iraq, to me. No matter. Use whatever words you want: size, scope, strategy, tactics. This is different.

Cavuto's attempt to liken Bush to Churchill, like the wrong and overused attempts to liken Saddam to Hitler, are simply emotional manipulation with no basis in fact.