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What Is Man?
Various | September 25, 2003 | betty boop

Posted on 09/24/2003 11:25:56 PM PDT by betty boop

The Platonic Soul

It is fitting to give Plato the first word on the question, “What Is Man?” For Plato was the first thinker to isolate man out of his connection to clan and tribe, making the human individual -- man as he is in himself -- a proper subject of investigation.

This shift of attention to the individual psyche marks a decisive, revolutionary break with the characteristic habits of thought of the ancient world, the cosmological consciousness, which conceived of man mainly in terms of his connections to units larger than the individual, and envisioned a cosmos filled with gods. For Plato’s life-long meditation on the psyche – the human soul -- was deeply implicated in his speculation on the nature of the divine, which radically departed from the Hellenic people’s myth of the gods. Psyche also was the basis of Plato’s life-long meditation on “the best possible” political order.

Platonic thought can probably best be understood as a kind of spiritual autobiography. Great philosopher that he was (perhaps the greatest), Plato was not a “system builder”; he did not propound any positivist doctrine on any subject at all.

This aspect of Platonic thought is difficult for the modern imagination to grasp; for when we moderns think of a “philosopher,” we think of an intellectual who investigates propositions about truth and draws conclusive answers about the objects of his investigation. The philosopher then assembles his insights into systematic form allegedly useful in telling us about the real nature of things. (Plato called this sort of thing “philodoxy,” – love of transitory opinion -- the specialty of the Sophists, his adversaries. He would not call it “philosophy” – love of wisdom. This issue, however, is beyond the scope of the present essay.)

Although Plato is usually classed as an Idealist, his own instinct in philosophizing was uncompromisingly Realist, in the sense that he knew that certain questions can never be “closed” in principle. For the truth of existence, of Reality, is the object of zetesis -- of a search or quest -- that cannot be completed by any human being in the time of his own existence. Rather, it is a quest engaging all mankind proceeding through countless generations. Plato could point out the way. But the student must engage in the quest by and for himself, and understand it as he experiences it, according to his love for divine things.

On that note, we turn now to the consideration of psyche proper. Plato conceived of the individual human being as psyche-in-soma: an eternal soul incarnated in finite bodily existence.

The soul has a characteristic structure, a hierarchy of dynamic forces: the rational element, whose ordering power is sophia, wisdom; the spirited, whose ordering power is andreia, or manly virtue/courage; and the appetitive, whose ordering power is to “feel the pull” of physis, or bodily nature. The well-ordered soul is the healthy integration of the three forces, giving each its proper role and function.

In addition to elaborating a hierarchy of forces in the soul, the Platonic meditation also elaborates its hierarchical “structure”: At psyche’s “summit” is nous, intellect; followed by the conscious mind – including feeling, sensation; and “at bottom,” the unconscious mind, with its root in the “depth” of the soul, in which the soul’s “ground of being” can be found.

I’ve used a lot of quotation marks in the above passage for a reason. To use language like this is to intend as reified objects what are really processes on-going in the soul. We aren’t speaking of “thing-like objects” here. Processes aren’t things at all. But they are real all the same.

With that caution in mind, we have, so far, a “force field” and a “structure” for the soul, and importantly, the suggestion that the soul ought to be well-ordered.

And so the question arises: By what criteria does the soul order itself? And why would it even want to order itself?

To answer such we questions, we have to remember that the Platonic speculation maintains the immortality of the soul. The soul coming into bodily existence, however, does not remember its pre-existence at all; for at its birth into the present existence, the “circuits of the brain” become “deranged,” so the soul cannot remember anything about its life prior to its birth in this one. So it comes as a shock to the soul to discover that its body will die someday. The anxiety is acute, for the soul does not yet realize that its life is not dependent on the body, and is not destroyed with the body.

It is here (The Republic) that Plato inserts a drama in which the soul must act, the Pamphylian myth.

In the myth, “dead souls” – that is, souls separated from the body at physical death – receive reward or punishment according to their conduct in life, the bad souls going to their suffering beneath the earth, the good souls to their blessed existence in heaven. Then, after a thousand years, all the dead souls are brought into the Judgment of Lachesis, the daughter of Ananke (Necessity). And there the dead souls must draw their several lots and choose their individual fate for their next period of incarnated existence:
 

Ananke’s daughter, the maiden Lachesis, her word:
Souls of a day! Beginning of a new cycle, for the mortal race, to end in death!
The daemon will not be allotted to you; but you shall select the daemon.
The first by the lot, shall the first select the life to which he will be bound by necessity.
Arete has no master; and as a man honors or dishonors her, he will have her increased or diminished.
The guilt is the chooser’s; God is guiltless.

Now a soul that had just spent one thousand years in purgative punishment in the netherworld would be most anxious to choose his daemon rightly, lest at the conclusion of the next life, he find himself returned to the suffering below for another thousand years. On the other hand, the blessed souls do not necessarily make better choices than the purged souls. And they are just as liable to wind up in punishment in the next round if they do not choose wisely.

But choose they must, and thereby bind themselves to their fate over the next cycle of life and death. A soul’s only guide in the choice is the character it had acquired during its preceding life. The choice is free, but the wisdom to make a good choice may be deficient. Under the circumstances, the best course would be to make the best choice one can, and then follow Arete – Virtue. To “diminish her” – to dishonor her call to justice, temperance, courage, love of wisdom, zealous search for true being – is to incur culpable guilt. The daemon is there to warn the soul when it wanders from Arete, endeavoring to push the soul up into the light.

The daemon might be thought of as the mediator or agent of cosmic spiritual substance in the soul, a little spark of the divine in man. Plato’s symbol for the divine substance is the Agathon, the Good.

The Agathon is utterly transcendent, so immanent propositions about it cannot be constructed in principle. Yet the soul, in an act of transcendence, may have a vision of the Agathon, of its eternally divine goodness, purity, beauty, truth, and justice. Such experiences of transcendence inform the soul, building up its just order by fortifying the Arete in the soul.
Thus the soul is drawn upward into the light of the vision of the Agathon, and participates in the divine life so far as that is possible for a man.

It is important to bear in mind that the Agathon is not God. Though Plato often refers to the One God “Beyond” the world of created things, and “Beyond” the generations of the intracosmic gods (the gods of the Age or Chronos, subsequently replaced by the Olympians under the rulership of Zeus), and strongly suggests that the Logos of divine Nous is the ordering principle of the Cosmos, he does not elaborate. That elaboration had to wait for the Revelation of Christ.

For Plato, the vision of the Agathon was the basis of the idea of the human family, of a common shared humanity, of the idea of the brotherhood of mankind. As Eric Voegelin noted (Order and History, Vol. III, Baton Rouge: LSU Press, 1957), “The understanding of a universal humanity originates in the experience of transcendence; and the ineffable kinship of men under God revealed in the experience can immanently be expressed only in a myth of descent from a common mother or father….”

In this, Plato seems to anticipate St. Paul’s one body of Christ, interjecting the idea that, despite their differences, all men are equal as brothers in the sight of God.

For Plato, the daimon-mediated tensional suspense of the soul “in between” (metaxy) its cosmic ground in the “depth” of the soul and its extracosmic height in a transcendental “beyond” in the one God, was the site and sensorium of human spiritual reality. The form of the metaxy might be seen as a faint foreshadowing of the mediating process of Christ in the salvation and perfection of the soul, uniting souls to the Father through Himself, as declared by Christian revelation, most clearly in John’s Gospel.

It is possible to imagine that there are certain seed ideas in Plato that could not come into full bloom until Jesus Christ irrupted into human history four centuries after Plato’s death.
 

The Great Hierarchy of Being

The Platonic answer to the question “What Is Man?” must take into account man’s place in the great hierarchy of Being: God-Man-World-Society. All the members of the hierarchy are in dynamic relation, mutually unfolding the cosmic pattern set up “in heaven” as an eternal cosmic process of being-in-becoming over time. Man’s place in the hierarchy is special; for man is the microcosm, or eikon (image or reflection) of the cosmic Logos manifesting creation as the intent of divine Nous. Man’s soul is the site of the intersection of time and timelessness, of the changing and the changeless, of being and becoming, of life and death, of the tensional play of freedom and necessity.

And man is unique among creatures, for he alone possess nous; and thus is capable of being drawn to the paradigm of divine Nous -- to the contemplation of divine things. Thus man is uniquely capable of ordering his soul according to the divine paradigm, in justice and in love. And by a process of transcendence, to attain wisdom, freedom, and true Being in the contemplation of the divine Idea, the Agathon.
 
 


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agathon; immortalsoul; judgment; lifeanddeath; metaxy; plato; psyche
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To: LiteKeeper
Man is a creature created in the image of the Creator God.

Yes, LiteKeeper; I believe that is so. Certainly this is the Christian view. And on my analysis anyway, it is also the classical view (e.g., Plato's view).

21 posted on 09/25/2003 8:56:36 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
What or who is asking the question?

Of whom is the question being asked?

What is the nature of the question?


Got to establish a few basics. What is 'what'?

What region of being is man?

What is 'is'? [In the world? Let's discuss the worldness of the world, too.]

22 posted on 09/25/2003 8:58:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: betty boop
It is fitting to give Plato the first word on the question, “What Is Man?”

So long as we give Diogenes the second word ;)


23 posted on 09/25/2003 9:01:52 AM PDT by general_re (SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Sarcasm Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks To Your Health.)
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To: betty boop
Western Civilization (Dead White Male) Bump...!!!
24 posted on 09/25/2003 9:30:32 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: betty boop
Not much to do with Plato, but this seems like it somehow fits into this thread:
What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals!
Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2
25 posted on 09/25/2003 11:20:16 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (The "Agreement of the Willing" is posted at the end of my personal profile page.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; anyone
"It is possible to imagine that there are certain seed ideas in Plato that could not come into full bloom until Jesus Christ irrupted into human history four centuries after Plato's death."

Giving Plato credit is a good thing. There, did you ever think I'd say that, Jean? It's interesting that the Lord paused in expressing Himself canonically during this time --this time of letting the "world" catch up a bit to His hesed, to be ready for His agape, if you will.

(Not to confuse, though. I think hesed and agape are one in the same, seen from the perspective of proximity to the Lord and not necessarily the concurrent people, nor the variations in His Mediation of them as He brings willing humanity through His developmental process for them. It must be a wonderful wedding gown that takes so long to arrange!)

Anyone: pardon the jargon and for seeing this Scripturally, but through the eyes of Love may truth be seen.
26 posted on 09/25/2003 4:09:18 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: betty boop
Thanks for the ping. I guess you asked for it.

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Betty asked me to makes some comments on this question from the point of view of an autonomist. I told her I would be unable to, and am not sure, even now, that I will be able to contribute anything substantive, beyond some comments on specific points.

I must point out that Autonomy is not a philosophy, ideology, movement, or organization. One cannot learn autonomy, convert to autonomy, promote autonomy, or join autonomy. Autonomy is a characterization of a class of individuals who choose to live their lives autonomously.

I pointed out to Betty in another post that an autonomist is simply one who has chosen to take complete responsibility for their own thoughts, choices, and actions, that is, their life. She suggested (in much kinder words) that this was absurd since it is impossible to escape one's responsibility for one's choices and actions.

She is, of course, absolutely correct, not about the absurdity of autonomy, but about the fact that one cannot escape responsibility for one's own life. The absurdity is evading responsibility for one's life, choices, and actions is exactly what most people spend their entire lives trying to do. The autonomist is simply one that recognizes that absurdity and refuses to do it.

While autonomy itself is neither a philosophy or ideology, it is obviously inconsistent with any philosophy of a collective nature (socialism, humanism), or any form of mysticism (supposed knowledge from sources other than evidence or reason). The actual philosophy autonomy is most consistent with is objectivism, however, an autonomist is not an objectivist, except in its most essential meaning, of not being a subjectivist.

In that light, before I say anything about the nature of man, I must comment on the various suggested meanings of "reality," since this certainly does have bearing on our understanding of what "man" is?

To an autonomist "reality" is all that is, the way it is.

That is correct.

It is listed as thought it were merely one of many possible meanings of reality, and that is incorrect. There is only one reality and it can have only one meaning. That meaning can be expressed in different ways, but the difference is the expression, not the meaning, not the "thing" that is actually being identified by the word. For example, the definition attributed to the autonomist (but actually a common one found in various philosophical dictionaries) could have been stated, "reality is all that exists the way it exists." The meaning would be the same.

All the other supposed "meanings" of reality are actually variations on the meaning attributed to the autonomist, or statements not about the meaning of reality, but what actually exists and in what way. There is a very important difference.

Suppose I ask, what does the phrase, "betty's car," mean? Someone might say, "it's the automobile that betty owns," or someone else might say, "it's the car that betty drives," or any number of other expressions that all mean the car that pertains to betty. Now someone else comes along and says, "betty's car is an Aston Martin." This may certainly be true (we'd like to think it were), but, while correct, if it is, the intention is an entirely different one. The meaning of the phrase, "betty's car," is whatever car pertains to betty, while Aston Martin (or Geo) is the actual car. "Betty's car," could be any car and would still be true if she sold her Aston Martin and bought a Geo. The difference is called "abstract" verses "concrete." "Betty's car" is abstract, "Aston Martin" is concrete. So the definitions of reality may be classified as abstract, concrete, or a mixture, for example:

To a metaphysical naturalist, "reality" is all that exists in nature, (A mixture.) The "'reality' is all that exists," part is abstract, the, "in nature," part is concrete, assuming by "nature" is meant, physical nature, or all that which we can be directly conscious of and is the proper object of the physical sciences.

To an autonomist "reality" is all that is, the way it is. (Abstract). The phrase, "the way it is," is required in the definition, because things exist in different modes. Fictional characters, exist, for example, but not in the same way (or mode) that historical characters do. Concepts exist, as components of human consciousness but not in the same way (or mod) physical entities exist. It would be wrong to say Santa Claus is not a real existent, but it is correct to say Santa Claus does really exist, but only as a popular fiction meant for the entertainment of children at the Christmas season. The mode or, "the way," something exists must be specified to be included in reality.

To an objectivist "reality" is that which exists. (Abstract) This is the way Objectivists describe reality based on the axiom "existence exists". It is a truncated version of the autonomist's definition, but if one reads objectivist discussion of these concepts, the "as it exists" is implied in their meaning. It ought to be made specific.

To a mystic "reality" may include thought as substantive force and hence, a part of "reality". (Concrete) This, of course, is not a definition of reality, but a description of an aspect of reality, namely "thought" as something reality includes. Objectivists (and autonomists) certainly believe thoughts are real, but they do not believe they exist in the same mode as material entities. They exist, not as physical existents, but as psychological existents.

To Plato "reality" includes constructs such as redness, chairness, numbers, geometry and pi

(Partial - concrete) This, again, addresses only one aspect of reality. What this addresses is the concept of Platonic universals, which platonists and the schoolmen all believe have real ontological existence. For every idea there is somewhere somehow an actual existent that is the "real" thing our ideas are only an examples or "particulars" of. To a thoroughgoing Platonist, the idea Santa Claus has, in some higher way, actual existence.

To Aristotle these constructs are not part of "reality" but merely language. (Partial - concrete) This is true of the linguistic analysis school of philosophy but is probably an unfair characterization of Aristotle, but that is another question. It is difficult to know what exactly this means. Certainly language is part of reality, so how could something that is "merely language" not be part of reality. Probably what is meant is, those who reject Platonic universals do not believe concepts of entities, events, and qualities have any existence other than as concepts. Some concepts are for actual qualities and entities, like pi (a quality) and chairs (entities); other concepts are for fictional qualities and entities, like red (as the color of Santa's suit) or Santa (a fictional entity). From this view, Platonic universals exist, but only as the mistaken notion (fictions) of Platonists.

To some physicists, "reality" is the illusion of quantum mechanics. (Concrete) Does this mean quantum mechanics is an illusion or quantum mechanics gives rise to an illusion, which illusion is reality? We assume the latter. But if there is an illusion, something must be suffering that illusion, and if the illusion is the reality, whatever is suffering that illusion must be unreal. That seems about right. Can you imagine scientists holding such muddle-headed notions?

To Christians "reality" is God's will and unknowable in its fullness. (Concrete) I do not believe this is a fair characterization of the Christian viewpoint. Christians generally believe reality consists of two realms, a natural realm, by which they mean the physical universe, and a supernatural realm, by which they mean that superior that includes the celestial beings, God, angels, and more. They also believe these two realms intersect or interact in at least some ways, and actually believe the supernatural "permeates" the natural, and is the cause of "life" "consciousness" and accounts for the human soul or spirit which they believe is part of the supernatural realm. As for God's will, they certainly believe all of this "reality" is the result of God's will, but I do not think they would generally hold that it is "God's will," itself. Some might. There is great variety and difference in the beliefs of Christians.

I have attempted to make this analysis of these various views of reality as fair, objective, and accurate as possible, where they are not it is my fault. The reason for the analysis is because our concept of truth is dependent on our concept of reality. Truth is that which describes reality or any aspect of reality. If our concept of reality is wrong, our concept of truth will be wrong.

The reason I was very careful in my description of the Christian concrete view of reality is to demonstrate that, while the autonomist may not agree with the Christian concrete meaning of reality, the Christian (or anyone else) ought to hold the same abstract meaning of reality as the autonomist. The autonomist may not believe reality is divided into natural and supernatural realms, but the Christian certainly ought to believe reality is all that is (the natural and supernatural realms) as it is (rocks, atoms, and bosons natural while God, angels, and demons are supernatural).

While we might not agree about what the ultimate truth is (for example that there are demons) we would agree on what the truth means (if there are demons, a statement that says there are demons is true, if there are not demons, a statement that says there are not demons is true) because what correctly describes what is, is true, whatever there is.

Now you see why I have doubts about being able to say much substantive about the nature of man, when I have had to say all of this before I could even begin. And I must say something more, if I haven't already bored you to death.

The nature of reality is important to our understanding of the nature of man, because to understand that, we need to understand where in the realm of existence man fits. Man is, after all unique, else the question would never come up.

But here, the question of reality is not the abstract one, but the concrete one. What is the actual nature of existence? The answer to this is all of philosophy, which I am not prepared, (and even if I were, have neither the time nor inclination) to present here, and no one here wants to wade through all that, anyway.

So, we must abbreviate.

Aristotle, objectivists, and autonomists define man as, rational animal. Those with a background in formal logic or philosophy know this definition comes at the and of a long chain of logical analysis. Those without such a background may see this definition as incomplete, or even shallow.

The definition of man as rational animal can best be understood in terms of the Porphyrian Tree, which illustrates in a graphical way, what that definition means. Specifically it defines man in terms of his logical place in the hierarchy of existence.

Original Porphyrian Tree

Genus Generic Difference Contrary
Substance Material [Body] Non-material [Spirit]
Body Living [Organism] Non-living [Mineral]
Organism Sentient (Animal) Non-sentient [Plant]
Animal Rational [Man] Non-rational [Brute]

The Autonomist updates this structure thus:

Tree of Ontological Hierarchy

Level of Existence Differentiation Attributes (Notes)
Existent Position [Static] Direction, Distance (Positional differences are the minimum differentiation of existents. Different things must have different positional qualities.)
Statics Motion [Dynamic] Velocity, Time (Motion is change of position. This is the second level of differentiation.)
Dynamics Acceleration [Physical] Mass, Energy (Acceleration is change of motion. This is the third level of differentiation. All qualities of physical existence can be derived from these three levels of differentiation, including the concepts of force, rate of acceleration, even fields. Mass and Energy can be defined entirely in terms of acceleration (not necessarily conveniently or practically).
Physical (Entities) Life [Organism] Purpose, Sentience (Life is a self-sustained process that differentiates living entities from non-living entities. It is not caused by nor does it arise from any action of the physical. While it is a "physical" process, in that the material the process uses is physical, the process itself is not physical, but another, and the fourth, level of differentiation of existence.)
Organism Consciousness [Animal] Enjoyment, Learning (By consciousness is meant perception. Except for man, the behavior of the perceptually conscious creatures is provided by instinct. Consciousness is a quality of life and the fifth level of differentiation of existence.)
Animal Volition [Man] Reason, Creation (By volition is meant the necessity and ability to live by conscious choice. Volition is a quality of perceptual consciousness and is the sixth and final level of differentiation of existence.)
This is an outline of ontological existence, demonstrating the logical relationship between all existents. Please note, life, consciousness, and volition are not "physical," in the usual sense of the word, but if natural means, "anything that is part of that existence we can actually be directly conscious of," these are as natural as any other existents.

At this point I will confine my remarks to that aspect of human nature that distinguishes human beings from all creatures, indeed, from all other existents, his volitional nature. (The interdependent nature of reason and volition were well understood by the early philosophers, one is impossible without the other, and the actual nature of human consciousness was correctly called rational-volitional.)

In most discussion of the nature of man, this is the crucial question. If man is truly volitional, if man must live by conscious choice and is able to choose, then everything follows from that. His need for knowledge, his ability to gain knowledge, his requirement for values, especially moral values, all depend on this aspect of his nature.

If man is not volitional, if he is not required to live by conscious choice and is unable to consciously choose, knowledge is neither needed or possible, values are pointless, and morality is meaningless.

The Big Problem

If everything that exists in this world is physical, and all physical existence is determined by those laws and principles discovered by the physical sciences, physics, chemistry, and biology, and their legitimate branches, how is volition possible? According to physics, everything that happens, every event, is determined by the relationship of everything to everything else, and the laws that govern those relationships.

Even if we make consciousness something separate from physical existence, it is still physical existence that consciousness must be able to influence if there is to be volition. If physical events, including all those in our brains, can be explained entirely in terms of the physical laws, even if we are conscious of those events, we cannot possibly change them without violating those laws.

The usual approach to this problem is either to deny that everything in the physical world is absolutely determined, or to throw up one's hands and declare in the final analysis, volition must be an illusion, and one becomes a "materialist", a behaviorist, or both.

Recently some have attempted to escape this apparent paradox employing certain interpretations of quantum mechanics and the uncertainly principle. This is really just another, though a more modern example, of denying that physical existence is determined absolutely, and attempting to find a "space" where volition can sneak in and change things while statistical wave forms are trying to decide "to collapse or not to collapse," which for statistical wave forms, it is suppose, is the question. (It's how particles decided to be or not to be, or at least where to be, or how much energy to have once they are, but not both, apparently.) (Just kidding.)

There Is No Problem

One of the reasons an absolutely determined physical existence is questioned is its implications for knowledge. In whatever way the events of the brain are related to our thoughts and ideas, it is apparent that identical behavior of the brain cannot be associated with totally different thoughts or ideas. There must be some relationship between specific events of the brain and the specific content of consciousness. If everything is determined, that means everything in our brains is determined, and all our thoughts are nothing more than reflections of physically caused events and all our supposed ideas are nothing but naturally occuring phenomena with no more reason or meaning than a tree falling or a rock rolling down a hill.

As much as determined physical existence seems like a threat to the possibility of knowledge, a much more dangerous threat would be an undetermined physical universe. If knowledge is to be possible, the world we are to know better be determined by laws that it conforms to pretty consistently, else no knowledge is possible at all. If we cannot count on the things we identify today being those same things tomorrow, and having the same nature and behaving the same way, there is no way we can know anything. An undetermined world controled by no laws or principles is unknowable. It is only in terms of those laws and principles that we know it. Without them, there would be nothing to know, nothing could have any identity, and no relationship would be possible.

Physical But Living

It is true, human beings are physical beings, physical entities that, as physical entities, are subject to all the principles applying to all other physical entities. But human beings are a special kind of physical entity, they are living entities, members of that class of physical entities called organisms. The quality that differentiates organisms from all other physical (non-living entities) is life.

In our "Tree of Ontological Hierarchy" we indicated that life is a level of differentiation. The meaning of this is not at all obvious, and not all that easy to understand or explain, but it is necessary to understand if we are to understand, not only how volition is possible, but life and consciousness as well.

A full explanation is both tedious and demanding (though necessary), but for our purposes, an explanation by analogy will probably suffice. Earlier in the "tree" another level of differentiation (the second) is motion. The specific differentiation called motion is a differentiation of the previous level, position. Specifically motion is a change in position.

The analogy we want to make is between two relationships, the relationship between position and motion, and the relationship between physical entities and living entities (organisms). To do that, we need to understand something about the hierarchy itself, and what it is a hierarchy of.

First, everything that exists does so by virtue of its qualities. We might say that anything is its qualities, that is, if we know all of a things qualities, we know what it is. There are two kinds of qualities of the things we know, which in a non-technical way we can divide into subjective (those we directly perceive, like hard, cold, round, red) and objective (those we know by understanding relationships and physical characteristic, like mass, tensile strength, chemical structure.) The hierarchy is entirely in terms of objective qualities.

Second, everything that exists must be different from everything else that exists. Since everything is whatever its qualities are, no two things can have exactly the same qualities, that is, everything must have at least one quality that differentiates it from all other things.

The minimum quality that anything must have to differentiate it from anything else is positional. No to things can have the identically same position. Two things may be identical in every way, but so long as their positional quality is different, they are different things. Even if things are already differentiated by other qualities, even if they have had not quality in common with each other (which is not possible) they would still be differentiated positionaly.

Since everything that exists must be different from everything else that exists, and everything is whatever its qualities are, to exist, a thing must have some positional quality, and it must be different from the positional qualities of all other things. This is why position is the primary quality of differentiation of ontology.

Positional qualities alone are capable of describing static states and those qualities of entities which are static. But this is a dynamic world, and all entities exhibit some behavior, even if it is only relative. This is a world of events, not just entities, but entities that do something. But events cannot be described in terms of position alone. For there to be events, there must be motion.

Here is where we get to our analogy. If positional qualities were all we had, there could be no motion. No matter how many positions we had, or how complex their arrangement, positional qualities alone could never give rise to motion. In order to have motion, there must be another different level of differentiation, a change in position, which is exactly what motion is, change in position.

The nature of positional qualities is not in any way compromised by motion. Motion provides a whole new "field" of qualities, not possible with position alone, but it detracts nothing from the field of positional qualities.

Now consider physical entities. The entire physical world consists of physical entities. All event are events of physical entities. All processes are processes of physical entities. All substances and material is actually comprised of physical entities. While physics describes many things which seem very remote from physical entities in the every day sense, ultimately, if those remote concepts do not ultimately have some effect on entities in the every day sense, they are mistaken.

But physical entities, no matter how complex the arrangement, or how sophisticated the complexity can never give rise to life. There is no known example of life that does not come from life. The reason is, life is not itself a physical phenomena or quality, just as motion is not itself a positional phenomena or quality.

Life is a process carried out by a complex physical entity, called an organism, but an organism is an organism because of the life.

The behavior of all entities, except living entities, can be described entirely in terms of their physical nature. The popular materialist view that life is just a very complex manifestation of the material qualities and might be described in those terms is mistaken. An organism can be studied in terms of its physical/chemical/electrical behavior (as biology does), but such a study will not discover those aspects of an organism's behavior which are uniquely "living" behavior.

The unique characteristics of an organism are purpose and sentience.

When life is described as a self-sustaining process it means sustaining the organism, as an organism. It is to this fact purpose pertains to, the fact that an organism's living behavior is to sustain itself as a living organism. Only organisms exist by virtue of their own action. All other entities exist entirely as a result of forces and laws acting without regard to the entity's existence or continuation, and no non-living entity acts to maintain its own existence.

For all non-living action there is no connection between the cause of the action and the consequence of the action except for the physical one. Both the cause and the consequence of that action we call the living is the same, the nature of the living organism. An organism's behavior is caused by and results in itself. An organism continues to exist only so long as it continues to sustain itself. Only the action of living entities has a purpose, and that purpose is the sustaining of the living entity.

Every kind of organism has a specific nature that determines what behavior is required and appropriate for that organism to continue to exist. Those requirements determine the character which the organism's primary purpose will take. Ultimately, then, the purpose of any organism is the continuation of itself as the kind of organism it is and the fulfillment of the requirements of its nature. (This is one of the most important concepts in philosophy.)

In order to fulfill the requirements of its nature, an organisms behavior must be able to fulfill those requirements. It is to this required behavior sentience pertains. Sentience refers to an organisms reaction to external stimuli which is dependent on the life process and the organisms specific nature.

A "response" to stimuli is not the same a non-living physical "reaction" to an external influence. A container of water might react to an impact or sound waves impinging on it, but that reaction is entirely physical and totally explainable in terms of physical laws. The "response" of a living organism to outside influences called stimuli, is an action made possible and required by the life "process" of the organism. If for any reason, the life process should cease, that reaction to stimuli cannot happen. It is the process itself that reacts to the stimuli, indicating the process "senses" (detects the presence and nature of) the stimuli in order to react to it.

If an organism could not detect a stimuli, it could not react to it; if an organism could not distinguish the difference in the nature of stimuli, it would react in the same way to all stimuli, or react randomly without any connection between the nature of the stimuli and the action. This is what distinguishes a living response from a physical reaction. A response is the result of the organism in some way detecting the presence and nature of the stimuli, a reaction is an immediate action attributable directly to the external influence (even if the reaction is a very complex one involving a computer program, for example).

The particular things an organism will react to and the specific response the organism makes is determined by the organism's nature as an organism. As soon as the organism is, "dead," its behavior reverts to that of any other non-living entity, including its reactions to external influences.

Purpose and sentience are both qualities of the living process of an organism. While the process is a physical one, in terms of its physical/chemical/electrical characteristics, it is the process itself, not that physical elements the process uses, that has purpose and is sentient. The process, life, is another level of differentiation which makes possible all the qualities of life, not possible to non-living physical existence.

Jump To Volition

The next two levels of differentiation beyond life, Consciousness, and Volition, are analogous to those already described. The point has been to demonstrate that Physical existence is only part of existence. The physical part of existence is totally determined by its nature, which is what the sciences study. Life is also a part of existence, physical and more. The physical aspects of a living organism are as determined by physical laws as any other physical entity, but the life aspects are determine only by those characteristic which are living. The same is true of consciousness and volition.

The entire description of how merely sentient life is differentiated to become truly conscious (perception) and how the consciousness is differentiated to become volitional consciousness requires much too much discussion to include here.

What we have included should allow us to get the flavor of these concepts however, and to answer the question of how volition is possible in a physically determined world. In fact, the question is really asked the wrong way.

We know we have knowledge, and we know we must live by conscious choice and are capable of choosing. That volition is possible cannot really be questioned. We could not even ask the question if we were not volitional creatures. So we know reality includes volitional, conscious, living, physical entities, and these comprise reality at its highest and most complete form.

The real question is, how can a world with volitional, conscious, living, physical entities have in it dumb, dead, determined, physical entities? The answer is, dumb, dead, determined, physical entities are all you have left when volitional, conscious, amd life is left out. The world is controlled by volition, unless, volition is absent, still it is conscious, unless consciousness is left out, but still it is living, unless the life is left out, then all that is left are the physical laws, and everything will be controlled by them.

So life is not something injected into or added to non-living entities, it is a natural quality of existence, as is volition. We are volitional creatures, we must choose everything we think and do, and we are responsible for every choice. To choose we need knowledge, to choose right we need values, to be fully human, we need moral values.

To discuss these we need much more time and space, which we do not have.

Hank

27 posted on 09/25/2003 5:34:12 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief; Fzob; P.O.E.; PeterPrinciple; reflecting; DannyTN; FourtySeven; x; ...
PHILOSOPHY PING

(If you want on or off this list please freepmail me.)

The subject of this thread is, What is Man?

My post is here: Post #27

Hank

28 posted on 09/25/2003 5:42:14 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Main Entry: zom·bie
Variant(s): also zom·bi /'zäm-bE/
Function: noun
Etymology: Louisiana Creole or Haitian Creole zõbi, of Bantu origin; akin to Kimbundu nzúmbe ghost
Date: circa 1871
1 usually zombi a : the supernatural power that according to voodoo belief may enter into and reanimate a dead body b : a will-less and speechless human in the West Indies capable only of automatic movement who is held to have died and been supernaturally reanimated
2 a : a person held to resemble the so-called walking dead; especially : AUTOMATON b : a person markedly strange in appearance or behavior
3 : a mixed drink made of several kinds of rum, liqueur, and fruit juice
- zom·bie·like /-bE-"lIk/ adjective
29 posted on 09/25/2003 5:49:53 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: f.Christian
Main Entry: au·tom·a·ton
Pronunciation: o-'tä-m&-t&n, -m&-"tän
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -atons or au·tom·a·ta /-m&-t&, -m&-"tä/
Etymology: Latin, from Greek, neuter of automatos
Date: 1645
1 : a mechanism that is relatively self-operating; especially : ROBOT
2 : a machine or control mechanism designed to follow automatically a predetermined sequence of operations or respond to encoded instructions
3 : an individual who acts in a mechanical fashion
30 posted on 09/25/2003 5:53:59 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: betty boop
From your nice exposition, I can see why Christian writers thought so highly of Plato as an 'almost' Christian before the coming of Christ.
31 posted on 09/25/2003 7:09:31 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: betty boop
Apparently not, djf. What decisively separates man from the rest of the animal kingdom is that man, unlike other animals, is free to choose the pattern of his life.

Yes, the freedom to choose is certainly one of the most important parts of being man. However, I think there are also a few others that need to be considered - our knowledge that death comes to us all is certainly something which influences our lives in many ways, as well as our thoughts and our choices. I also think that man is social in nature, much more so than any other creature and in many more important ways.

32 posted on 09/25/2003 7:16:48 PM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: betty boop; djf
Thank you so much for the ping to your discussion with djf!

What decisively separates man from the rest of the animal kingdom is that man, unlike other animals, is free to choose the pattern of his life.

Indeed. Man is much more aware of himself, everything around him and possibilities. He thinks in abstractions. Moreover - above any creature known to me, man is willful.

33 posted on 09/25/2003 7:21:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; bigcat00
Thank you so much for pinging me to your discussion with bigcat00!

Can we really trust what is observable by means of our senses? Our senses do not detect the quantum world, though the physicists tell us it is there, and have found ways to "observe" it -- via mathematics, not direct sensation. How much do our senses really report of the actual structure of the universe?

Indeed. The eyes and mind are a great example. We struggle to perceive in 4 dimensions.

A great article on the subject: The Curse of Dimensionality (pdf)

34 posted on 09/25/2003 7:51:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: KC Burke
Thank you oh so very much for your kind words, KC Burke! I was concerned about the post being so long, but after praying about it at length and receiving all of those passages - I would be loathe to omit even one. Hugs!!!
35 posted on 09/25/2003 7:53:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for sharing your insight!

It's interesting that the Lord paused in expressing Himself canonically during this time --this time of letting the "world" catch up a bit to His hesed, to be ready for His agape, if you will.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of the "pause" in those terms. Very interesting speculation, unspun.

36 posted on 09/25/2003 8:09:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I'm not done yet! By the time I am, I will end up disputing much that has been postulated.

"A somewhat cursory look at physical seems to make that quality not particularly needed for humaness. I think there is a natural tendency to do this when philosophers describe man." Because they are philosophers, not professional wrestlers. Will continue to expand on the rebuttals later! Thanks to all, Betty, Alamo girl, etc.
37 posted on 09/25/2003 8:14:19 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf
Thank you for your reply! I look forward to your completed essay!!!
38 posted on 09/25/2003 8:26:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun; Alamo-Girl; KC Burke; MissAmericanPie
Giving Plato credit is a good thing. There, did you ever think I'd say that, Jean? It's interesting that the Lord paused in expressing Himself canonically during this time --this time of letting the "world" catch up a bit to His hesed, to be ready for His agape, if you will.

Funny thing you should mention this, dear Brother A. The accent falls on "to be ready."

The Lord Christ had his forerunners, consecrated ones who prepared the way for His revelation to man.

Pre-eminently his brilliant cousin Saint John the Baptist "prepared the way," inaugurating the sacrament of baptism for the cleansing of sins, well before anyone then alive could have possibly imagined the spiritual significance of baptism by water, and even before there was Anyone in Whose Name anyone could have been baptized.

John constantly, faithfully proclaimed the coming of the Messiah. John ran ahead of Jesus, preparing, cultivating the human spirit to receive the Lord in common humanity, when He came.

Though there may be folks out there prepared to accuse me of blasphemy for saying it, I can't help but think of Plato as a type of forerunner of Christ in his own way, there to prepare the way of the Lord -- not in the field of spirit, but in the field of nous.

Unlike John's way -- the way of the Spirit -- Plato's way was the way of of the Mind -- of human reason. Since there is nothing "unreasonable" about the Christian faith, it's kind of nice to have had (putatively) Plato out there, effectively "preparing the Way" for the Lord, in the inimitable, uniquely Greek fashion. [Arguably, there has been no people in the history of mankind more remarkable for devotion to rational mind and its criteria than the ancient Hellenes.]

As you recall, it was the Greeks who were the most numerous early adherents of the Christian faith. And Christ's revelation was disseminated throughout the wider world via Hellenistic, not Jewish, culture.

I have to believe that God had a hand in all this. And that He chose the instruments of His purpose superlatively.

This is not to aver that one can come to the Lord via the route of reason alone, or even mainly. Faith, Hope, and Charity are the theological virtues that draw us close to God -- not our "problem-solving abilities."

Yet there seems to be nothing in Christianity that confounds or delegitimates human reason at all. Quite the contrary.

Most of the sheer irrationality I see in this world today seems to stem from implacable resistance to, even positive hatred of, the idea of reason. Probably because the apostate of God realizes, deep down in his bones, that there can be no such thing as reason, without reference to an abiding standard by which reason itself can be measured and found to be "reasonable."

But this sort of thing regularly manages to pass itself off as an "unheard-of demand" these days....

And that's why the human race seems to be in such a quandary in the present era: Irrational people constitute the socially (and politically) effective people in the present socio-political culture.

In our era, they are stacked up like cord wood in our most prestigious institutions of higher learning, the elite foundations and organs of mass communication; and in the movers and shakers of the political class.

And they seem to be dedicated to making the lives of "the rest of us" perfectly miserable.

On that happy note, I must say good-night, Arlen. Time for some sleep! Thank you so much for writing. Pleasant dreams -- Good night!

39 posted on 09/25/2003 9:48:26 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop; unspun; KC Burke; MissAmericanPie
Thank you so much for your excellent post!

Though there may be folks out there prepared to accuse me of blasphemy for saying it, I can't help but think of Plato as a type of forerunner of Christ in his own way, there to prepare the way of the Lord -- not in the field of spirit, but in the field of nous.

Can there be any doubt that God attended this history? Daniel prophesied about Alexander the Great conquering Media/Persia about 250 years earlier. In the meantime, Plato developed his philosophy which was spread because of Alexander the Great’s feat.

Daniel – 587 B.C. (approx)
Plato - 427-347 B.C.
Alexander the Great - 356 to 323 B.C

Excerpts of the portions of Daniel’s prophesy in chapter 8 which deal with Alexander the Great:

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had [two] horns: and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last. I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat [had] a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven….

And it came to pass, when I, [even] I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.

Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end [shall be].

The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power….

As a side note, some scholars assert that it was the fear of the influence of the Greek philosophy, that the Essenes withdrew to the wilderness and copied the ancient manuscripts --- some copies carbon-dating to around 200 B.C. --- preserving them in such a manner and in such a place that they survived all these years. The copies are of course the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran which have served, in our life time, to authenticate the antiquity of much of our Judeo/Christian texts!

The Dead Sea Scrolls

The Qumran sect's origins are postulated by some scholars to be in the communities of the Hasidim, the pious anti-Hellenistic circles formed in the early days of the Maccabees. The Hasidim may have been the precursors of the Essenes, who were concerned about growing Hellenization and strove to abide by the Torah.

Archeological and historical evidence indicates that Qumran was founded in the second half of the second century B.C.E., during the time of the Maccabean dynasty. A hiatus in the occupation of the site is linked to evidence of a huge earthquake. Qumran was abandoned about the time of the Roman incursion of 68 C.E., two years before the collapse of Jewish self-government in Judea and the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 C.E….

The historian Josephus relates the division of the Jews of the Second Temple period into three orders: the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Essenes. The Sadducees included mainly the priestly and aristocratic families; the Pharisees constituted the Jay circles; and the Essenes were a separatist group, part of which formed an ascetic monastic community that retreated to the wilderness. The exact political and religious affinities of each of these groups, as well as their development and interrelationships, are still relatively obscure and arc the source of widely disparate scholarly views.


40 posted on 09/25/2003 11:00:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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