Posted on 09/24/2003 11:25:56 PM PDT by betty boop
This shift of attention to the individual psyche marks a decisive, revolutionary break with the characteristic habits of thought of the ancient world, the cosmological consciousness, which conceived of man mainly in terms of his connections to units larger than the individual, and envisioned a cosmos filled with gods. For Platos life-long meditation on the psyche the human soul -- was deeply implicated in his speculation on the nature of the divine, which radically departed from the Hellenic peoples myth of the gods. Psyche also was the basis of Platos life-long meditation on the best possible political order.
Platonic thought can probably best be understood as a kind of spiritual autobiography. Great philosopher that he was (perhaps the greatest), Plato was not a system builder; he did not propound any positivist doctrine on any subject at all.
This aspect of Platonic thought is difficult for the modern imagination to grasp; for when we moderns think of a philosopher, we think of an intellectual who investigates propositions about truth and draws conclusive answers about the objects of his investigation. The philosopher then assembles his insights into systematic form allegedly useful in telling us about the real nature of things. (Plato called this sort of thing philodoxy, love of transitory opinion -- the specialty of the Sophists, his adversaries. He would not call it philosophy love of wisdom. This issue, however, is beyond the scope of the present essay.)
Although Plato is usually classed as an Idealist, his own instinct in philosophizing was uncompromisingly Realist, in the sense that he knew that certain questions can never be closed in principle. For the truth of existence, of Reality, is the object of zetesis -- of a search or quest -- that cannot be completed by any human being in the time of his own existence. Rather, it is a quest engaging all mankind proceeding through countless generations. Plato could point out the way. But the student must engage in the quest by and for himself, and understand it as he experiences it, according to his love for divine things.
On that note, we turn now to the consideration of psyche proper. Plato conceived of the individual human being as psyche-in-soma: an eternal soul incarnated in finite bodily existence.
The soul has a characteristic structure, a hierarchy of dynamic forces: the rational element, whose ordering power is sophia, wisdom; the spirited, whose ordering power is andreia, or manly virtue/courage; and the appetitive, whose ordering power is to feel the pull of physis, or bodily nature. The well-ordered soul is the healthy integration of the three forces, giving each its proper role and function.
In addition to elaborating a hierarchy of forces in the soul, the Platonic meditation also elaborates its hierarchical structure: At psyches summit is nous, intellect; followed by the conscious mind including feeling, sensation; and at bottom, the unconscious mind, with its root in the depth of the soul, in which the souls ground of being can be found.
Ive used a lot of quotation marks in the above passage for a reason. To use language like this is to intend as reified objects what are really processes on-going in the soul. We arent speaking of thing-like objects here. Processes arent things at all. But they are real all the same.
With that caution in mind, we have, so far, a force field and a structure for the soul, and importantly, the suggestion that the soul ought to be well-ordered.
And so the question arises: By what criteria does the soul order itself? And why would it even want to order itself?
To answer such we questions, we have to remember that the Platonic speculation maintains the immortality of the soul. The soul coming into bodily existence, however, does not remember its pre-existence at all; for at its birth into the present existence, the circuits of the brain become deranged, so the soul cannot remember anything about its life prior to its birth in this one. So it comes as a shock to the soul to discover that its body will die someday. The anxiety is acute, for the soul does not yet realize that its life is not dependent on the body, and is not destroyed with the body.
It is here (The Republic) that Plato inserts a drama in which the soul must act, the Pamphylian myth.
In the myth, dead souls that is, souls separated from the body at physical death receive reward or punishment according to their conduct in life, the bad souls going to their suffering beneath the earth, the good souls to their blessed existence in heaven. Then, after a thousand years, all the dead souls are brought into the Judgment of Lachesis, the daughter of Ananke (Necessity). And there the dead souls must draw their several lots and choose their individual fate for their next period of incarnated existence:
Anankes daughter, the maiden Lachesis, her word: Souls of a day! Beginning of a new cycle, for the mortal race, to end in death! The daemon will not be allotted to you; but you shall select the daemon. The first by the lot, shall the first select the life to which he will be bound by necessity. Arete has no master; and as a man honors or dishonors her, he will have her increased or diminished. The guilt is the choosers; God is guiltless. |
Now a soul that had just spent one thousand years in purgative punishment in the netherworld would be most anxious to choose his daemon rightly, lest at the conclusion of the next life, he find himself returned to the suffering below for another thousand years. On the other hand, the blessed souls do not necessarily make better choices than the purged souls. And they are just as liable to wind up in punishment in the next round if they do not choose wisely.
But choose they must, and thereby bind themselves to their fate over the next cycle of life and death. A souls only guide in the choice is the character it had acquired during its preceding life. The choice is free, but the wisdom to make a good choice may be deficient. Under the circumstances, the best course would be to make the best choice one can, and then follow Arete Virtue. To diminish her to dishonor her call to justice, temperance, courage, love of wisdom, zealous search for true being is to incur culpable guilt. The daemon is there to warn the soul when it wanders from Arete, endeavoring to push the soul up into the light.
The daemon might be thought of as the mediator or agent of cosmic spiritual substance in the soul, a little spark of the divine in man. Platos symbol for the divine substance is the Agathon, the Good.
The Agathon is utterly transcendent, so immanent propositions about it cannot be constructed in principle. Yet the soul, in an act of transcendence, may have a vision of the Agathon, of its eternally divine goodness, purity, beauty, truth, and justice. Such experiences of transcendence inform the soul, building up its just order by fortifying the Arete in the soul.
Thus the soul is drawn upward into the light of the vision of the Agathon, and participates in the divine life so far as that is possible for a man.
It is important to bear in mind that the Agathon is not God. Though Plato often refers to the One God Beyond the world of created things, and Beyond the generations of the intracosmic gods (the gods of the Age or Chronos, subsequently replaced by the Olympians under the rulership of Zeus), and strongly suggests that the Logos of divine Nous is the ordering principle of the Cosmos, he does not elaborate. That elaboration had to wait for the Revelation of Christ.
For Plato, the vision of the Agathon was the basis of the idea of the human family, of a common shared humanity, of the idea of the brotherhood of mankind. As Eric Voegelin noted (Order and History, Vol. III, Baton Rouge: LSU Press, 1957), The understanding of a universal humanity originates in the experience of transcendence; and the ineffable kinship of men under God revealed in the experience can immanently be expressed only in a myth of descent from a common mother or father .
In this, Plato seems to anticipate St. Pauls one body of Christ, interjecting the idea that, despite their differences, all men are equal as brothers in the sight of God.
For Plato, the daimon-mediated tensional suspense of the soul in between (metaxy) its cosmic ground in the depth of the soul and its extracosmic height in a transcendental beyond in the one God, was the site and sensorium of human spiritual reality. The form of the metaxy might be seen as a faint foreshadowing of the mediating process of Christ in the salvation and perfection of the soul, uniting souls to the Father through Himself, as declared by Christian revelation, most clearly in Johns Gospel.
It is possible to imagine that there are certain seed ideas in Plato that could not come into full bloom until Jesus Christ irrupted into human history four centuries after Platos death.
And man is unique among creatures, for he alone possess nous; and thus is capable of being drawn to the paradigm of divine Nous -- to the contemplation of divine things. Thus man is uniquely capable of ordering his soul according to the divine paradigm, in justice and in love. And by a process of transcendence, to attain wisdom, freedom, and true Being in the contemplation of the divine Idea, the Agathon.
Once again, for your source to support your Gnostic argument, you go to uninspired text, written by a mystic. That text is worthless, it is one person's half-baked idea of "finding God". Per Judaism and Christianity, it is not possible for anyone to "find God". That was the whole reason for the Incarnation. God comes to find man.
When someone makes an appearance on an unrelated thread and invites the cast over to share their viewpoints on another one, they should not say "all viewpoints are welcome", if it's not true, and especially when one has to go to the moderator when they are found to be theologically bankrupt. My Pa always said, "Don't write checks you can't cash".
one thing Hank is not, is stupid. You have nailed it, Hank, and holding up and worshipping philosophers and declaring any of them, divine sparkles included in the package, in the same mold as Jesus, is ludicrous for a Christian to be doing. For a gnostic mystic to be doing, or a Hindu or a Buddhist, or a pagan, perfectly acceptable
well that's the job of JesseShurun, you know I am just a bad parable, not even real!
As for praying for others when not asked to, I'm with you: first of all, I don't need them and second of all, I don't know who it is they are praying to, and best to leave me out of it
This statement is beyond amazing! He has revealed in His Word, and through Jesus Christ in the New Testament, the forms of worship that are acceptable to Him. But of course, you discount the revealed Word of God as well as the revealed nature of Christ, our exemplar, preferring your own forms of communion, meditating on philosophers and writings of mystics. How is what you do any different than paganism? And I'm not being "provacative". I'd really like to know
I can't answer that question, HalfFull. I have no experience with this sort of thing, and have never thought about the propriety of a church community placing its members under observation and discipline for perceived sins. It's not for me to say how various duly-constituted church communities ought to conduct their own affairs.
In general, I think it's probably best just to leave people alone to follow whatever institutional arrangements and traditions characterize their church community, especially if they are of long-standing practice.
Still, one has to be very careful about this sort of thing, it seems to me. Human beings aren't always very good at making judgments about evil (e.g., there may be issues of self-interest, or envy, etc., that affect one's objectivity, for instance). But once a good rhetorician, pointing the finger of blame, and waxing eloquent in censure of some identified miscreant, gets up a good head of steam, chances are he can carry the crowd away with him. I wonder: Would justice be the outcome of this sort of thing?
How good is human justice, really, when it comes to matters of sin? How deeply do we penetrate the deeper strata of the souls of our fellow men, so as reliably to tell their "guilt?"
I was reading a review of Lance Morrow's new book, Evil: An Investigation in NR today. There was a very sobering passage in it that touches on the present issue:
"Evil," [Morrow] writes, "is a strange, versatile, and dangerous word that can be used to describe a genocide or to incite one ('Let's kill all of the ______s. They are evil.')."....
The reviewer, Michael Potemra, continues:
"Evil cannot finally be understood, [Morrow] concludes, but wisdom helps us deal with it: 'The task is to recognize evil for what it is, and yet to respond to it with discernment. See comprehensively, as a hedgehog does, but respond discriminately, flexibly, as a fox does, without the dogmatism that makes zealots stupid and prompts them, from time to time, to burn people at the stake."
Morrow has this further perceptive and thought-provoking observation regarding the nature of evil:
"Evil portrays itself, almost without exception, as injured innocence, fighting back."
Just some things to think about some more. I know I will. Thanks for writing, HalfFull.
Amen to that, Alamo-Girl! Thank you so much for these passages from Holy Scripture. I'll take this one with me to sleep.... Good night!
Following is some background information on correcting bad behavior within a church. To the Protestants, the most severe method for correcting bad behavior is to have a member "churched" which is basically, having them kicked out. This is roughly the equivalent of the Catholic excommunication.
But as you say, people are well advised to be careful about such things. I offer this as the strongest example known to me:
Martin Luther - A Strong Stand - VI. (emphasis mine)
As he was no longer able to tolerate Luther, the pope issued a ban against him. He hoped that the German people would rally around him and follow the edict of the ban, which read as follows:
Luther made his initial appearance before the Diet of Worms on April 17, 1521. This was an impressive assembly of persons. It was not merely an ecclesiastical court of the Roman Catholic Church, but involved the emperor himself, as well as many lesser officials.
Luther considered the matter carefully:
The following edict to all the people of the Empire was drawn up declaring Luther to be an outlaw:
The final draft of the Edict of Worms read:
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