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Debate Terminates Arnold
SEPT 24 2003
| tomasUSMC
Posted on 09/24/2003 8:55:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: TomasUSMC
I watched the previous debate where the four lib candidates together with two moderators gang-banged on McClintock.
Tonight Tom finally had a moral support and I think he was glad to have the Terminator at his side. Side by side it was obvious that Arnold had leadership ability, he could stand up to the obnoxious shrills coming from Arianna - she is just so accustommed to interrupt everyone (a woman and an immigrant) and to talk over - it requires an even stronger ego to shut her up. Arnold has such ego. He has a personal magnetism (can't be a superstar without) and he had shown he could persuade and lead.
McClintock is of course a true specialist, but without the personal power over people. At the question time after the debate Arnold highly praised Tom and said Tom was going to be of great help for him in Sacramento - looks like they have a deal.
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:42:51 PM PDT
by
Symix
To: TomasUSMC; All
Why did Tom hold back on Arnold?
A deal?
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:49:15 PM PDT
by
CyberCowboy777
(As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women.)
To: Porterville
You got most of it. He's staying in till the final week in case Davis tries to late hit A.S. Davis can't use his smear ammo if there is a viable alternative. T.M. will be out by October 1.
He also wants to make people feel gratitude to him for getting out. Letting it build a little more builds up that sense of panic among Arnold zealots. He''ll close ranks by next week. IMO
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:50:47 PM PDT
by
Finalapproach29er
("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
To: TomasUSMC
Tom crushed the competition today, well everyone except for the green party guy who kept repeating something that for some reason no one could counter - that the rich in California pay a lower tax rate than the rest.Let's see: 20% of $20,000 = $4,000. 15% of $1,000,000 = $150,000. So the rich guy pays a lower tax rate but ends up paying more in total dollars in taxes.
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:52:35 PM PDT
by
usadave
To: Porterville
You got most of it. He's staying in till the final week in case Davis tries to late hit A.S. Davis can't use his smear ammo if there is a viable alternative. T.M. will be out by October 1.
He also wants to make people feel gratitude to him for getting out. Letting it build a little more builds up that sense of panic among Arnold zealots. He''ll close ranks by next week. IMO
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:52:58 PM PDT
by
Finalapproach29er
("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
To: TomasUSMC
In your dreams. Arnold was a huge hit, he only needed a B- and he got an A.
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posted on
09/24/2003 10:54:07 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: ambrose
Let's face it - we need both of them!
Arnold is the leader image needed now to put the
fear of God into that bunch of socialists up there.
Tom we need for his knowledge, expertise and
experience. I think there should be a special post
created for him. Auditor General? Any ideas?
And remember, the whole bunch in Sacramento knows what
will happen to them if we find they have lied to us or
changed course without a very good explanation.
To: Roscoe
just answer the question...
do YOU believe he will stay in?
To: ambrose
Right. Tom knows the issues and I agree with him. BUT, Arnold, who was much better than many thought he would be, has that intangible thing called leadership. If CA is going to be resuscitated, it will take someone with that kind of personality to convince the people to do what needs doing. Tom just does not have that.
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posted on
09/24/2003 11:03:38 PM PDT
by
Let's Roll
(And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
To: Scott from the Left Coast
I had to come out of lurkdom to completely agree with you.
Tax Boostamonte managed to avoid displaying his fascist-racist underbelly, good for him. I will vote for Arianna when she runs for PTA prez.
To: CyberCowboy777
Why did Tom hold back on Arnold? A deal?
I suspect no, not yet anyway; Tom's too principled to do that. But he knows that his chances of winning are minimal now, and he wants to be able to garner mainstream GOP support in the future. If he savaged Arnold like this was his (Tom's) last ever race, and lost, Tom's name would be mud with 60% or so of the GOP supporters for decades.
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posted on
09/24/2003 11:04:55 PM PDT
by
pogo101
To: BunnySlippers
SOC -- Same Old Crud. Spare me, comparing an honest, principled man with Clinton. Your actions are really sick. The only person in this race who can be compared with BJ Clinton is your man Arnold, with his group sex and dope smoking. He and Bill could be buddies. After all, Arnold said he was ashamed of the GOP and would never forgive the GOP for impeaching Clinton for a "human failure." Quit your suck up for Arnold. Clinton did not commit a human failure. His crimes were prejury and obstruction of justice -- and your boy stands up for his man. GIVE US ALL A BREAK.
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posted on
09/24/2003 11:12:11 PM PDT
by
sruleoflaw
((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
To: pogo101; TomasUSMC; autoresponder; yall
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:18:20 AM PDT
by
MeekOneGOP
(Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
To: TomasUSMC
I've got a suggestion. At this point in the election, why don't we leave it up to the Californians to debate on who should replace Grayout Davis?
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:20:17 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
To: isthisnickcool
No, I thought you were taking the other bet! If McClintock wins I'll send FR $100. If he loses, you do!!!!
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:49:42 AM PDT
by
Hildy
(SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican.)
To: TomasUSMC
McClintock was magnificent! www.helptom.com
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:51:02 AM PDT
by
Saundra Duffy
(R.I.P. Holly Patterson who was killed by RU486 administered by Planned Parenthood)
To: TomasUSMC
DEBATE SUMMARY
- ARNOLD: Playful, somewhat immature, had some ideas especially about helping businesses, will probably win because I suspect California voters aren't serious enough to elect McClintock and are sick of Davis/Bustamonte.
- McCLINTOCK: Highly Intelligent, expert grasp on the issues, true conservative, best candidate, will lose.
- GREEN PARTY SOCIALIST GUY: Typical green party socialist, no chance
- ARIANNA: Mouthy, immature, publicity whore, hates Bush, hates Republicans, no chance but this might help her sell her next book.
- CRUZ: Kinda effeminate, nicey-nicey, touchy-feely, very liberal, would be horrible for California.
To: Hildy
No, I thought you were taking the other bet! If McClintock wins I'll send FR $100. If he loses, you do!!!!
LOL! I was wondering what you were thinking. I've offered the bet several times. You appeared to be the first taker.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!
To: Oliver Boliver Butt
Like your Dr. Suess screen-name.
As a kid, I always roared with laughter when I heard that particular name in "Too Many Daves."
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posted on
09/25/2003 7:19:53 AM PDT
by
SerpentDove
(Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
To: TomasUSMC
Debate Terminates Arnold
Talk about wishful thinking.
Before anyone can be elected, the recall must first be approved. Whether or not the recall is approved has a lot to do with the choices other than Gray Davis. Those who do not want a recall will vote for Bustamante just in case their vote against the recall does not prevent it from happening. Those who do want a recall but do not want a social conservative will vote for Arnold. Replacing Arnold with a socially conservative ideologue will not, though, result in all the previously for-Arnold votes going for McClintock. There will be a certain number of people who will say that having McClintock replace Davis is nothing value added and so will either not vote at all or will vote against the recall. Given the closeness between the for and against recall numbers and the distance between McClintock and Bustamante, a McClintock-only Republican choice will result either in no recall and the retention of Davis or the election of Bustamante.
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posted on
09/25/2003 7:22:10 AM PDT
by
aruanan
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