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Gen. Shelton shocks Celebrity Forum, says he won't support Clark for president
Los Altos online ^ | 09/23/03

Posted on 09/24/2003 3:32:06 AM PDT by jaykay

Retired General H. Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11, shared his recollection of that day and his views of the war against terrorism with the Foothill College Celebrity Forum audience at Flint Center, Sept. 11 and 12.

His review of that historic event and his 38 years in the military kept the audience's rapt attention throughout. But it was his answer to a question from the audience at the end that shocked his listeners.

"What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate," was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, "I noticed you took a drink on that one!"

"That question makes me wish it were vodka," said Shelton. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

Shelton was on a 757 en route to Budapest for a conference when he learned that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Knowing that New York had perfect weather and there were no computer problems, he determined that it was a terrorist attack and immediately turned the plane around.

Shelton's 38 years in the military included two years in Vietnam and service in the 173rd Airborne Brigade and Green Berets. In addition to having been an adviser to the president and a member of the National Security Council, he has been awarded the Congressional Gold Medal, the Purple Heart and six Distinguished Service Medals. He has been decorated by 15 foreign governments and knighted by Queen Elizabeth.

His 6-foot-6-inch military bearing and commanding presence at the Celebrity Forum belied his recent personal battle. Only months after his retirement, following 400 parachute jumps from 30,000 feet, the former special ops soldier fell from a ladder outside his home, landed with his head caught in a chain-link fence and was partially paralyzed from the neck down.

The doctor told Shelton he would never walk or use his hands again. Shelton said he checked the doctor's name tag for "God"; he didn't see it. Eighty-four days later he walked out on his own, and he is now close to 100 percent recovered. The unfortunate experience taught him an invaluable lesson -- "the importance of faith, family and friends when the chips are down."

Three days after Shelton took office as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, his commitment to the integrity of the military was tested. When U.S. planes in the Iraq no-fly zone were attacked, a member of Congress suggested that perhaps "we" could fly a U-2 spy plane so low over Iraq that it could easily get hit. Then we'd have a reason "to kick Saddam out of Iraq." After Shelton responded that he would order that "just as soon as you are qualified to fly (it)," he was not asked again to compromise his office.

"Sometimes people in a position of power lose perspective on right and wrong," Shelton said.

The events of 9/11 were not a surprise to Shelton. He had been concerned because the United States offers a vulnerable target-rich environment. Two areas continue to worry him. First, a cyber-attack on air control, water, 911, financial or other nationwide systems could "bring us to our knees." Second, the use of weapons of mass destruction, even small amounts of sarin gas, anthrax germs, bio-attacks, continues to be a dangerous threat. Their deployment had been planned for the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, but al-Qaeda ordered the attack before they were in place.

In order to deal with the ongoing danger, the United States must "continue to go after terrorists," he said. "Bush has maintained the pressure and earned kudos in spite of the criticism."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; generalhughshelton; generalshelton; hughshelton; jcs; weasely; wesleyclark; wesleykanne
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To: AmericanInTokyo
he Bashed NIXON and CLINTON

Clinton is their Nixon...except that Nixon had more integrity.

121 posted on 09/24/2003 2:12:49 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: Arkie2
All it takes is a few hundred thousand voters spread out across the country, reading the online news and disliking Clark, for him to lose like Gore did. Integrity issues aside though, a Bush victory would not be a victory for the right. His domestic policies seem to be the antithesis of right wing economics.
122 posted on 09/24/2003 2:12:49 PM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: cyncooper
which means it has something to do with his performance/behavior over there

What I've read is that Clark did an end-around on the chain of command...Went straight to Clinton with things, bypassing both the Secty. of Defense, and the Joint Chiefs. But there may be more to the story.

123 posted on 09/24/2003 2:15:03 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: Arkie2
Gloria Borger, in the latest U.S. Snooze said: "Clark's personal credentials are impeccable". So let's move on.
124 posted on 09/24/2003 2:17:58 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: joesnuffy
Clark gets my vote for most likely to be crowned anti-Christ in this current round of politicans no wonder the Clinton's are attracted to him.....

Clark's probably possessed by the same demon.

125 posted on 09/24/2003 2:19:01 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: jackbill
Gloria Borger, in the latest U.S. Snooze said: "Clark's personal credentials are impeccable". So let's move on.

Gee. Gloria Borger, political whore. Who'd have thunk it.

126 posted on 09/24/2003 2:20:48 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: jackbill
I looked up her column, entitled "A Warm Spot for Wesley." Maybe it should have been entitled "A Warm Wet Spot for Wesley."
127 posted on 09/24/2003 2:29:07 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: LibWhacker
Just guessing, but dollars to doughnuts it's this.

The article said that he got the campaign medal at his retirement ceremony. He was yanked from Europe well before retirement.

128 posted on 09/24/2003 2:30:14 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Where did Schwarzkopf speak and what did he say? Posted anywhere?
129 posted on 09/24/2003 2:32:42 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: GoOrdnance
400 parachute jumps from 30,000 feet

Sounds like a NYT fiction writer's (reporter's) wet dream. You would need breathing apparatus at that altitude. I doubt anyone has jumped 400 times from 30,000 feet!

130 posted on 09/24/2003 2:35:52 PM PDT by Don Carlos (El que no le gusta vino es un amimal.)
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To: GoOrdnance
30,000 feet? Is that correct?

He's so tall that he had to jump from a higher altitude so that he wouldn't hit the ground before the chute opened.

131 posted on 09/24/2003 2:40:21 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Taffini
http://news.serbianunity.net/bydate/2003/September_18/2.html

http://www.realchange.org/clark.htm

132 posted on 09/24/2003 2:45:44 PM PDT by danneskjold
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To: jaykay
I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues,

Notice that "issues" is plural. Shelton is probably being precise here and there's more than one reason or more than one issue of "integrity and character".

Perhaps one of the issues was the one in Bob Novak's latest column at:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak22.html

Clark was a three-star lieutenant general who directed strategic plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. On Aug. 26, 1994, in the northern Bosnian city of Banja Luka, he met and exchanged gifts with the notorious Bosnian Serb commander and indicted war criminal, Gen. Ratko Mladic. The meeting took place against the State Department's wishes, and may have contributed to Clark's failure to be promoted until political pressure intervened. The shocking photo of Mladic and Clark wearing each other's military caps was distributed throughout Europe.

133 posted on 09/24/2003 2:47:20 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: OldCorps
I love your story! Spring Butt Bingo! Clever and perfect!
134 posted on 09/24/2003 2:59:15 PM PDT by arasina (Hillary thinks being shrill is the same thing as standing up for principle.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
He's certainly no general, but the lovely and effervescent Col. David Hackworth has evidently decided he likes the Clark candidacy. (According to a recent thread on FR anyway.)
135 posted on 09/24/2003 3:08:29 PM PDT by arasina (Hillary thinks being shrill is the same thing as standing up for principle.)
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To: jackbill
From National Review Online:

"In fact, he tried to play the hawkish Blair off against the distracted Clinton during NATO's Kosovo campaign. Some NATO air commanders, especially the American ones, blamed Clark for compromising with NATO's political leaders too much on targets early in the war, thus lengthening the campaign. After weeks of trying to corner and back channel Clinton and the Joint Chiefs into launching a ground war, Clark was virtually quarantined from the war council. "I rue the day I made him SACEUR," Defense Secretary Bill Cohen is reported to have said.

In an unmistakable sign of his anger with Clark's style, Joint Chiefs Chairman Henry Shelton didn't even bother attending Clark's formal retirement ceremonies. Shelton wasn't alone: Several other chiefs were AWOL as the Pentagon saluted General Clark for his abbreviated tenure.

— Alan W. Dowd is a research fellow and director of the Indianapolis office of the Hudson Institute.

136 posted on 09/24/2003 3:08:46 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: jaykay
Save for later read . . . and as ammunition.
137 posted on 09/24/2003 3:15:46 PM PDT by Sergio (Thinking of something witty to say.)
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To: OldCorps
Human nature hasn't changed all that much; I'm sure they were playing a variation of Spring Butt Bingo game when Julius Ceasar was a cadet.
138 posted on 09/24/2003 3:24:46 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: OldCorps
Spring-Butts Bingo? We called it Bull $cheize Bingo in the Marine Corps! =)
139 posted on 09/24/2003 3:28:09 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (Don't talk about my armchair unless you know how to pull the recliner lever.)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey, this looks familiar for some reason.
140 posted on 09/24/2003 3:29:40 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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