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Is it OK for a Muslim to take the oath of allegiance to the United States to become a citizen?
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Posted on 09/23/2003 11:15:21 PM PDT by dennisw

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Ask-Imam.com > Islamic Politics > Question 8471 from United States 

To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. is it ok to take the oath.

The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. They also ask on the citizenship form the following questions: If the law requires it, are you willing to bear arms on behalf of US? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform noncombatant service in the US Armed Forces? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform work of national importance under civilian direction? My question is can we answer yes to these questions? is there anything wrong in doing that. what should the answer be: yes or no? could you please kindly give an urgent answer. jazakallah.

Answer 8471

2003-04-25

As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shari’ah. Whatever Shari’ah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shari’ah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).

Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai



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1 posted on 09/23/2003 11:15:22 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Only when the flash of hell lands on mecca!!!!!!
2 posted on 09/23/2003 11:18:04 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: dennisw
I love these. So, it boils down to "Lie if you have to." How honorable. /sarcasm
3 posted on 09/23/2003 11:18:08 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: dennisw
That certainly doesn't make them sound very trustworthy as citizens.

On the other hand, we Christians are called to follow God first, not the state. So the potential for a conflict of interests exists for us as well, even if it is vastly less than that of the Muslim.

4 posted on 09/23/2003 11:19:23 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: dennisw
Swear without reservation, or be damned.
5 posted on 09/23/2003 11:20:10 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: The Grammarian
Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's and render unto God those things which are God's.
7 posted on 09/23/2003 11:29:56 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: Coeur de Lion
Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's and render unto God those things which are God's.

Good argument for paying my taxes. Thanks. ;P I had Acts 4:19,20 in mind more than anything. In the New Living Translation, it runs something like this "Do you think that God wants us to obey you rather than him?"

8 posted on 09/23/2003 11:32:39 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: dennisw
You see what happened at Guantanamo, with our "own" US Military "muslims"... jailed!!! Should be shot for treason.
PS. Classified docs were confiscated that were headed to Syria... Iran and Syria next cross hairs...
God Bless.
9 posted on 09/23/2003 11:36:41 PM PDT by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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To: Bill O Right
And where exactly does the Jewish 'American's' loyalty lie?

None of my Jewish ancestors had any reservations taking that oath. Nor anyone I know about.

10 posted on 09/23/2003 11:46:47 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: dennisw
Horrors of horrors....

Must we now assume that there can never be trust between infidels and Muslims?

Does this mean that a Muslim may lie, swear, promise, contract, deceive or commmit any deception to gain entry or trust -- but may revoke any committment to serve directives from some Islamic cleric?

Doesn't sound like a plan for living with these folks...

Semper Fi
11 posted on 09/23/2003 11:52:16 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: The Grammarian
Good argument for paying my taxes. Thanks. ;P I had Acts 4:19,20 in mind more than anything. In the New Living Translation, it runs something like this "Do you think that God wants us to obey you rather than him?"

I find it rather difficult to believe that Matthew 22:21's original Greek translates into "Do you think that God wants us to obey you rather than him?" This actually seems to be nothing more than a paraphrasing of Acts 4:19.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 12:02:15 AM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: dennisw
Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).

So profound.

13 posted on 09/24/2003 12:23:35 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: The Grammarian
On the other hand, we Christians are called to follow God first, not the state.
Then how do we explain this?
Romans 13
1. Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
14 posted on 09/24/2003 5:51:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: The Grammarian
So the potential for a conflict of interests exists for us as well, even if it is vastly less than that of the Muslim.

True, although Christians follow the natural law which is universal and intuitive to all people, as opposed to Sharia law. The larger problem that I see, from what little I know of Mohammedanism, is that the religion demands the unity of state and religion. That is, it is the obligation of every Mohammedan to bring about a Mohammedan state until the entire world is Mohammedan.

The old Catholic Encyclopedia summarizes the situation nicely:

In matters political Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the "Infidel". Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.

Has anything changed since this was written in 1911, except for the rise of even more fanatical Mohammedan sects like Wahabism?

15 posted on 09/24/2003 5:59:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: The Grammarian
The way the pledge reads now, it IS one nation under God, clearly putting God in the drivers seat. This is what "offends" so many aetheists and cult worshippers such as Islam who insist that the God behind this country and OUR code of laws be dismanteled and His followers be eliminated one way or another.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 6:04:10 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Elsie
"2. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. "

I suppose the American Revolution was against God's will, then?
17 posted on 09/24/2003 6:14:26 AM PDT by Kingasaurus
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To: The Grammarian
And those of us who are just generic monotheists can pledge allegiance to the US without reservation.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 6:32:10 AM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: Kingasaurus
I have seen a few hardliners argue exactly that and that our constitution should be abolished because it doesn't acknowledge God's sovereignty over the US and it is now a "pagan idol" because of how much reverence it has from the people.
19 posted on 09/24/2003 6:34:06 AM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: bootless
I love these. So, it boils down to "Lie if you have to." How honorable. /sarcasm

I'm not sure I agree. As a Christian, I honestly believe I could answer yes to all those questions (Born in the USA so not a personal issue). However, I also understand there may be circumstances where I may receive a lawful order which I belive G-d commands me to violate. Just, for example, if I were told to go into a peaceful house full of peaceful people and remove a six-year-old child at gunpoint. I might never have thought I would be asked to do such a thing when swearing an oath. But I would not consider myself in violation of that oath when such an unusual order came in and I could not, in good conscience, comply.

Now if Sharia specifically requires that Muslims maintain allegiance to Arab princes, then it is an outright lie.

Shalom.

20 posted on 09/24/2003 6:41:52 AM PDT by ArGee (Hey, how did I get in this handcart? And why is it so hot?)
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