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Not the Best and Brightest (Libertarian gone wild alert)
Cato Institute ^ | 9-20-03 | Leon Hadar

Posted on 09/20/2003 5:30:57 PM PDT by dogbyte12

Recognizing that the United States is gradually sinking into a military quagmire in Iraq, analysts have applied the historical analogy of the American intervention in Vietnam.

They have warned that US leaders are repeating today in the Middle East the policy mistakes that their predecessors made in Southeast Asia 50 years ago. Indeed, as they agonise over the failure of White House and Pentagon officials to anticipate the postwar predicament in Iraq, pundits have compared the architects of the military occupation of Iraq -- including Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice and other members of the neo-conservative faction -- to the managers of US national security during the 1960s that had steered Presidents Kennedy and Johnson into Vietnam.

Author David Halberstam, in the title of his Pulitzer Prize-winning book, called those planners of the military intervention in Southeast Asia, "The Best and the Brightest." That designation reflected the sense of tragedy that marked the conduct in Vietnam of officials like former Defence Secretary Robert McNamara, his deputy William Bundy and his brother, National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy, and other members of the liberal-internationalist foreign policy establishment of the Cold War.

Graduates of the best universities and men of great intellect and integrity, they were -- indeed, the best and the brightest that America could offer. Yet they had drawn Americans into a costly war that ended in a strategic defeat and produced the terrible political divisions in the country. Of course, Iraq has yet to turn into a Vietnam. But it has all the makings of the same kind of quagmire, in which US leaders are being confronted with the horrible dilemma: If they 'run away' from the confrontation, they are perceived as losers, encouraging other 'bad guys' to test their will. If they 'stay the course', they end up expanding their commitments to a point where they lose public and international support. But as much as it is tempting and perhaps even useful to draw the lessons of Vietnam in order to reconsider American policy in Iraq, it is important to stress some of the differences between those two military interventions.

First, taking place during the height of the Cold War, in which America confronted a nuclear-armed Soviet Union leading a powerful communist bloc, the decision to come to the aid of the pro-American South Vietnamese made strategic sense. After all, North Vietnam was controlled by a group of ardent communists, many of whom, including Ho Chi Minh, had been trained in the Soviet Union and China, and had strong political and military ties to those regimes.

In retrospect, American critics of the US intervention insist that Washington should have recognized that Ho Chi Minh and his comrades were more nationalists than communists. But in the early 1960s, very few analysts had challenged the argument that South Vietnam's collapse would strengthen the Soviet Union and its allies in the confrontation with the West. But contrary to some of the earlier suggestions by members of the current 'war party' in Washington, who have depicted the intervention in Iraq as an integral part of the war on terrorism, there were no ideological ties or military connection between President Saddam Hussein's Baath regime and Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network and its Taleban backers.

In short, while backing South Vietnam was clearly an integral part of the rivalry between the US and the communist bloc, ousting Saddam and invading Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism. In fact, as a result of the US occupation, Iraq has become a magnet for radical Islamic terrorists. Moreover, while the Americans in the 1960s could point to Japan and several other East Asian countries that were gradually moving in the direction of economic and political freedom and that could serve as models for Vietnam, the grand designs to democratise Iraq as part of an American-led crusade for freedom in the Middle East seem to be based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

And just compare the willingness of many elements in South Vietnamese society to ally themselves, and socialise with the Americans troops and civilians, to the attitude that most Iraqis are exhibiting today towards the Americans. Hence, let us not insult the Best and the Brightest of the 1960s with those who accused Saddam of supporting Osama, who had promised to find weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, and who were so sure that Americans would be welcomed as 'liberators' in Iraq and succeed in making the country a model of democracy for the entire Middle East. The Dumb and the Dumbest sounds a more appropriate title for the current crew.


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Just my hunch, but the Bush's won't be exchanging christmas cards with the Cato institute this year.
1 posted on 09/20/2003 5:30:57 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
When they start quoting the loony liberal left like Halberstam to support their thesis, you know they've gone off their meds.
2 posted on 09/20/2003 5:41:54 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: dogbyte12
As Ayn Rand said, "the Libertarians are right wing hippies."

She couldn't stand them and one can see why.

3 posted on 09/20/2003 5:43:48 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: dogbyte12
Cato - that name rings a bell...

Isn't that the freeloader from the OJ Simpson Show? CATO Kaelin?

No?

Well, they're freeloaders, anyway, just made sense to me...

4 posted on 09/20/2003 5:47:14 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Old Sarge
How does being a Libertarian make you a freeloader? Quite to the contrary, Libertarians denounce all the political PC garbage programs that enable freeloading.
5 posted on 09/20/2003 5:49:25 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: dogbyte12
Recognizing that the United States is gradually sinking into a military quagmire in Iraq,

I recognize no such thing...but I can see that Cato and Nader agree.

6 posted on 09/20/2003 5:50:35 PM PDT by Drango (McClintock is my first choice, but given the numbers I'm voting for Arnold.)
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To: Wolfie; Cato
(Libertarian gone wild alert)

Anyone you know?

7 posted on 09/20/2003 5:51:05 PM PDT by Libloather (And it STILL isn’t safe enough to vote DemocRAT or Liberteen…)
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To: ShadowDancer
How does being a Libertarian make you a freeloader?

Oh, no. Not another one...

SECURITY!

8 posted on 09/20/2003 5:54:06 PM PDT by Libloather (And it STILL isn’t safe enough to vote DemocRAT or Liberteen…)
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To: Libloather
LOL. Well, not totally. Just a small 'l' libertarian.
9 posted on 09/20/2003 5:55:32 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: dogbyte12
If this is a quagmire then bring them on. We have an entire country nearly completely pacified. We occupy every town or village we care to and the remaining insurgents are being mopped up. Is every serviceman's death a tragedy? Certainly but we have near complete control over the place and that's a claim the French government can't make about Paris.
10 posted on 09/20/2003 5:58:08 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: dogbyte12
But contrary to some of the earlier suggestions by members of the current 'war party' in Washington, who have depicted the intervention in Iraq as an integral part of the war on terrorism, there were no ideological ties or military connection between President Saddam Hussein's Baath regime and Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network and its Taleban backers.

I am constantly amazed at how ignorant "smart" people can be. Someone really needs to stop reading the Washington Post to get their facts on this war.
11 posted on 09/20/2003 6:00:39 PM PDT by Valin (It's all an INSIDIOUS plot...and they're the worst kind!)
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To: muir_redwoods
but we have near complete control over the place

And when we loosen our grip? Or maybe we don't. Maybe we stay entrenched there for the next 40 years, to ensure democracy of course.

12 posted on 09/20/2003 6:01:35 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: dogbyte12
Best and Brightess usually don't go together.
13 posted on 09/20/2003 6:03:58 PM PDT by ampat
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To: ShadowDancer
Bear in mind, these are MY observations, which I've based on my meeting Libbies - there's one in my unit, who sometimes joins me in debate against the Leftists, but makes a bonehead comment now and again.

Most Libbies seem to anchor their objectives on one issue - smoking free dope.

Yes, I've heard many portrayed as stout supporters of 2nd Amend. rights, and search and seizure issues. But mostly, Libbies see themselves as "morally superior" to the GOP. "Well, that wouldn't have happened if you stupid Pubbies hadn't (insert name of policy here)." "Easiest way to stop crime is to let everybody smoke dope." How can I take someone seriously with arguements like these?

And the largest affront the Libbies commit? Calving off votes that would otherwise contributed to Republican victories. No, I don't have solid numbers, but the anecdotal evidence is overwhelming.

Just to smoke free weed.

14 posted on 09/20/2003 6:04:29 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: dogbyte12
Grr...this is why I don't call myself "libertarian" anymore, even though I still agree with most libertarian views. After 9/11/01, libertarians should have left their foreign policy myopia behind in the real "quagmire" - the American left wing.
15 posted on 09/20/2003 6:06:41 PM PDT by FreedomFlynnie (Ten Democrats running for president, and not a single idea among them.)
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To: dogbyte12
Cato pays Ted Galen Carpenter to opine on foreign policy...nuff said.They would acquire gravitas if they hired Justine Raimondo...
16 posted on 09/20/2003 6:09:41 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Old Sarge
As I said earlier, I am what I call a 'libertarian' which means I draw distinct lines with the Libertarian party on certain issues. I do the same with the Republicans, too. However, my own views come closer to the present day libs than the present day repubs. In theory, I would be a republican. In truth, with what we have anymore, I'm not. I've been down the whole 'robbing votes from the RNC and giving them to the DNC' road more times here than I can count. The bottom line is this. I voted for Bush. Christ, I campaigned for him. But, I will not be voting for him this time.

Now, for the $20,000 Question you are going to ask: Who, then, am I going to vote for? Honestly, I don't know. And, that bothers the hell out of me more than you may believe.

17 posted on 09/20/2003 6:11:56 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: FreedomFlynnie
It was the case at one point that libertarians were of the opinion, "bring all our troops home and we can nuke anyone who attacks us" - well after 911 that turned into "let's go sulk in a corner and reflect on what we did to enrage Osama bin Laden". Gee it looks like reality is truly a harsh mistress and posturing doesn't solve much.
18 posted on 09/20/2003 6:12:53 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: garbanzo
I still kind of like "bring the troops home (maybe the U.S./Mexico border?) and nuke anyone who attacks" - in theory. After 9/11 reality DRASTICALLY diverged from theory, and I chose to support foreign policy that would succeed in reality, rather than in theory.
19 posted on 09/20/2003 6:21:16 PM PDT by FreedomFlynnie (Ten Democrats running for president, and not a single idea among them.)
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To: FreedomFlynnie
After 9/11 reality DRASTICALLY diverged from theory, and I chose to support foreign policy that would succeed in reality, rather than in theory.

Unfortunately, the LP didn't and has some serious difficulties in dealing with the world as it exists.

20 posted on 09/20/2003 6:44:17 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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